McLaren F1 successor

[Morteza]

[Stu]

It's alive
https://youtu.be/P3DVUYTeOyQ

That's 1990's F1 noise come back to life. I was expecting to see Alesi blast by in the 412 T2.

For any of the youngsters who joined F1 since the millennium, this is what I mean:

Beautiful car, beautiful noise!
That car is also the correct size and proportions for an F1 car!!

[Morteza]

[tok-tokkie]

There is a paddle on the steering wheel. He seemed to use it occasionally. What does it activate?

[Just_a_fan]

There is a paddle on the steering wheel. He seemed to use it occasionally. What does it activate?

One is the horn, the other is the headlight flash. I think.

[gruntguru]

A few "pussy foot" laps with the occasional squirt. Can't wait to see and hear this thing do some angry laps!!

That hyper-responsive engine has one downside. Even Dario Franchiti has trouble rev-matching the heel and toe downshifts. (Although I am sure he will perfect it with practice) Hopefully there will be some electronic assistance available for the many less-talented future owners.

[Morteza]

There is a paddle on the steering wheel. He seemed to use it occasionally. What does it activate?

One is the horn, the other is the headlight flash. I think.

You are absolutely correct. The one on the left is the flash and the one on the right is the horn

[Just_a_fan]

Hopefully there will be some electronic assistance available for the many less-talented future owners.

1. Murray doesn't do electronic assistance.

2. There are only 100 cars and all were sold. So not that "many" owners to worry about.

3. Most will probably never be driven anyway so it's not that big a deal in reality. That's the sad thing about these amazing cars - they're investment pieces for the wealthy, not cars to be driven and used and enjoyed.

[gruntguru]

. . . .
2. There are only 100 cars and all were sold. So not that "many" owners to worry about.

3. Most will probably never be driven anyway so it's not that big a deal in reality. That's the sad thing about these amazing cars - they're investment pieces for the wealthy, not cars to be driven and used and enjoyed.

So you think Murray doesn't "worry" about the driving experience of his customers?

[Just_a_fan]

. . . .
2. There are only 100 cars and all were sold. So not that "many" owners to worry about.

3. Most will probably never be driven anyway so it's not that big a deal in reality. That's the sad thing about these amazing cars - they're investment pieces for the wealthy, not cars to be driven and used and enjoyed.

So you think Murray doesn't "worry" about the driving experience of his customers?

Murray is quite vocal about having minimal anything on the car other than three pedals and the minimum stuff required by law. He will see the need to learn to do high-quality heel and toe changes as been part of the ownership experience, not a barrier to the experience. This is a drivers car. You have to drive it. That was central to the F1 and it's central to the T.50. That's Murray's mindset.

[Stu]

. . . .
2. There are only 100 cars and all were sold. So not that "many" owners to worry about.

3. Most will probably never be driven anyway so it's not that big a deal in reality. That's the sad thing about these amazing cars - they're investment pieces for the wealthy, not cars to be driven and used and enjoyed.

So you think Murray doesn't "worry" about the driving experience of his customers?

Murray is quite vocal about having minimal anything on the car other than three pedals and the minimum stuff required by law. He will see the need to learn to do high-quality heel and toe changes as been part of the ownership experience, not a barrier to the experience. This is a drivers car. You have to drive it. That was central to the F1 and it's central to the T.50. That's Murray's mindset.

‘Purity of the driving experience’ is probably how he would put it. When you look at the whole design, the only real ‘fluff’ is the fan and that also contributes to the driving experience, as it will felt as mechanical grip (as opposed to aero grip) because it is working at such low speeds.
I am truly grateful that cars such as this are allowed to exist, as otherwise hypercar would mean fast, but heavy.

[gruntguru]

. . . .
2. There are only 100 cars and all were sold. So not that "many" owners to worry about.

3. Most will probably never be driven anyway so it's not that big a deal in reality. That's the sad thing about these amazing cars - they're investment pieces for the wealthy, not cars to be driven and used and enjoyed.

So you think Murray doesn't "worry" about the driving experience of his customers?

Murray is quite vocal about having minimal anything on the car other than three pedals and the minimum stuff required by law. He will see the need to learn to do high-quality heel and toe changes as been part of the ownership experience, not a barrier to the experience. This is a drivers car. You have to drive it. That was central to the F1 and it's central to the T.50. That's Murray's mindset.

So handy to have an expert on the workings of Gordon Murray's brain here on the forum.

If Dario Franchiti can't perfectly rev-match it on downshifts, it is likely Gordon Murray (who happens to care a lot about the driving experience for his customeres - even though there are only 100 of them) would see fit to provide some help with rev-matching the most responsive engine ever put in a road car. So easy to add the means for those who want to switch it off and prove they are more skilful than one of the greats of motor racing.

[gruntguru]

There is automatic rev-matching, however. Gordon Murray told Harry’s Garage the rate at which the V12 gains and loses revs would make conventional heel-toeing very, very tricky, so there will be some electric assistance on hand.

https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/g ... ed-in-full

[Just_a_fan]

So you think Murray doesn't "worry" about the driving experience of his customers?

Murray is quite vocal about having minimal anything on the car other than three pedals and the minimum stuff required by law. He will see the need to learn to do high-quality heel and toe changes as been part of the ownership experience, not a barrier to the experience. This is a drivers car. You have to drive it. That was central to the F1 and it's central to the T.50. That's Murray's mindset.

So handy to have an expert on the workings of Gordon Murray's brain here on the forum.

If Dario Franchiti can't perfectly rev-match it on downshifts, it is likely Gordon Murray (who happens to care a lot about the driving experience for his customeres - even though there are only 100 of them) would see fit to provide some help with rev-matching the most responsive engine ever put in a road car. So easy to add the means for those who want to switch it off and prove they are more skilful than one of the greats of motor racing.

There's no need to be insulting.

Murray was vocal about his dislike of electronics in sports cars. That's well known by those who have followed even a little bit of the story of the F1.

[Just_a_fan]

There is automatic rev-matching, however. Gordon Murray told Harry’s Garage the rate at which the V12 gains and loses revs would make conventional heel-toeing very, very tricky, so there will be some electric assistance on hand.

https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/g ... ed-in-full

Ok, good to know that.