2021 Mexican Grand Prix - Autódromo Hermanos Rodríguez, Nov 05 - 07

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Re: 2021 Mexican Grand Prix - Autódromo Hermanos Rodríguez, Nov 05 - 07

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Wouter wrote:
07 Nov 2021, 18:21
dans79 wrote:
07 Nov 2021, 17:43
Wouter wrote:
07 Nov 2021, 17:38
You've said this more times now, including in another (RBR) thread. If I were you, I'd call the stewards. #-o
I said it one other time, and it is against the rules!

Considering is supposedly hurt the Red Bull drivers chance at locking out the front row, you would think more people would be questioning it!

From the Sporting regulations.
https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... -07-12.pdf

27.3
Drivers must make every reasonable effort to use the track at all times and may not leave the
track without a justifiable reason.'

His justifiable reason was to avoid a crash, as Perez approached at high speed, so Yuki had to go aside.

If he had driven reasonably, he would have already been through the complex and been completely out of the way!
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I’m confident Max can’t win on performance alone.

Just like in Monza we will see Max take out Hamilton because no points for both is a win for him. On the first lap the chances of getting penalised for it are slim too.

This is my prediction anyway.

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Interesting, Mercedes looks to be going for a 2-stop strategy (M-H-M). Likely similar to what Redbull did in austin with the quick undercuts.

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djones wrote:
07 Nov 2021, 18:32
I’m confident Max can’t win on performance alone.

Just like in Monza we will see Max take out Hamilton because no points for both is a win for him.
On the first lap the chances of getting penalised for it are slim too.

This is my prediction anyway.
You dare accuse Max of doing that on purpose?! #-o
How was he supposed to know he was going to hit Lewis when he ran over the curbs?!
Max is not a dirty driver. He doesn't need that kind of tricks! I know, some drivers drive that way.
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Wouter wrote:
07 Nov 2021, 18:41
You dare accuse Max of doing that on purpose?! #-o
It's an opinion, and not really any different than the opinions of many other users expressed about many other drivers!
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dans79 wrote:
07 Nov 2021, 18:45
Wouter wrote:
07 Nov 2021, 18:41
You dare accuse Max of doing that on purpose?! #-o
It's an opinion, and not really any different than the opinions of many other users expressed about many other drivers!
"Just like in Monza we will see Max take out Hamilton because no points for both is a win for him." is a false accusation.
Toto has already made that same false accusation publicly. Bah!

And because it is no different than the opinions of many other users expressed about many other drivers it is allowed to say so? #-o
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Luke Smith: Remember the car being raised up onto the podium with Hamilton standing on it two years ago?
It's happening again!

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Wouter wrote:
07 Nov 2021, 18:50
And because it is no different than the opinions of many other users expressed about many other drivers it is allowed to say so? #-o
Yep, that's how opinions work, just like all the opinions after silverstone!
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dans79 wrote:
07 Nov 2021, 17:43
Wouter wrote:
07 Nov 2021, 17:38
You've said this more times now, including in another (RBR) thread. If I were you, I'd call the stewards. #-o
I said it one other time, and it is against the rules!

Considering is supposedly hurt the Red Bull drivers chance at locking out the front row, you would think more people would be questioning it!
It is actually quite usual to do so. It is illegal leaving the track and gain an advantage but I see no advantage here.

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Tizz wrote:
07 Nov 2021, 19:06
dans79 wrote:
07 Nov 2021, 17:43
Wouter wrote:
07 Nov 2021, 17:38
You've said this more times now, including in another (RBR) thread. If I were you, I'd call the stewards. #-o
I said it one other time, and it is against the rules!

Considering is supposedly hurt the Red Bull drivers chance at locking out the front row, you would think more people would be questioning it!
It is actually quite usual to do so. It is illegal leaving the track and gain an advantage but I see no advantage here.
actually it's still against the rules. Wouter posted the exact rule a little bit ago that I mentioned yesterday.
Drivers must make every reasonable effort to use the track at all times and may not leave the
track without a justifiable reason.
The rub, is what do the the stewards consider justifiable.
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dans79 wrote:
07 Nov 2021, 18:26
Wouter wrote:
07 Nov 2021, 18:21
dans79 wrote:
07 Nov 2021, 17:43


I said it one other time, and it is against the rules!

Considering is supposedly hurt the Red Bull drivers chance at locking out the front row, you would think more people would be questioning it!

From the Sporting regulations.
https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... -07-12.pdf

27.3
Drivers must make every reasonable effort to use the track at all times and may not leave the
track without a justifiable reason.'

His justifiable reason was to avoid a crash, as Perez approached at high speed, so Yuki had to go aside.

If he had driven reasonably, he would have already been through the complex and been completely out of the way!
Totally agree. He never should have been there at the first place. You'd expect the team would have told him to speed up though.

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Wouter wrote:
07 Nov 2021, 18:41
djones wrote:
07 Nov 2021, 18:32
I’m confident Max can’t win on performance alone.

Just like in Monza we will see Max take out Hamilton because no points for both is a win for him.
On the first lap the chances of getting penalised for it are slim too.

This is my prediction anyway.
You dare accuse Max of doing that on purpose?! #-o
How was he supposed to know he was going to hit Lewis when he ran over the curbs?!
Max is not a dirty driver. He doesn't need that kind of tricks! I know, some drivers drive that way.
He didn't say he did it on purpose did he?

He said Max took Hamilton out, which is 100% what happened.
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Can we stop right there? Let's stay focussed on the Mexico City GP.

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Gillian wrote:
07 Nov 2021, 19:20
dans79 wrote:
07 Nov 2021, 18:26
Wouter wrote:
07 Nov 2021, 18:21



From the Sporting regulations.
https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... -07-12.pdf

27.3



His justifiable reason was to avoid a crash, as Perez approached at high speed, so Yuki had to go aside.

If he had driven reasonably, he would have already been through the complex and been completely out of the way!
Totally agree. He never should have been there at the first place. You'd expect the team would have told him to speed up though.
The thing that I just don't understand from Tsunoda is that there was a perfectly clear straight right after that corner where most people were letting faster cars through. I guess that was just down to inexperience or bad team communication.

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BlueCheetah66 wrote:
07 Nov 2021, 19:23
I guess that was just down to inexperience or bad team communication.
If you listen to his onboard posted earlier, his team gave him lots of advanced notice.
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