i agree. Bottas is a sneaky little snake.1m0bius1 wrote: ↑07 Nov 2021, 22:22All they had to do was both move to the side that Verstappen went for the overtake. Instead bottas the Moron left the door wide open. for verstappen around the outside. Had they both moved to one side Verstappen would have been screwed and would have had to back out.
Seemed deliberate on Bottas' part. He made a crappy start, initially moved the cover then randomly moved toward lewis and opened the door to Max completely around the outside.
Wolff had the chance to buy out Russell's Williams contract for '21 as Bottas was out-of-contract, but choose not to and rather to renew Bottas. A most curious decision!
At pretty much any company, when you repeatedly show you can't do your job properly you get fired/replaced!JordanMugen wrote: ↑07 Nov 2021, 23:32Given that decision to put Bottas in the car again, it would be illogical for Wolff to now be cross with Bottas.
He's left the door wide open for Max many times this year! He fought Lewis harder in Spain than he ever has fought Verstapen this year! He is a joke...ringo wrote: ↑07 Nov 2021, 23:11i agree. Bottas is a sneaky little snake.1m0bius1 wrote: ↑07 Nov 2021, 22:22All they had to do was both move to the side that Verstappen went for the overtake. Instead bottas the Moron left the door wide open. for verstappen around the outside. Had they both moved to one side Verstappen would have been screwed and would have had to back out.
Seemed deliberate on Bottas' part. He made a crappy start, initially moved the cover then randomly moved toward lewis and opened the door to Max completely around the outside.
He seemed to want to pressure lewis more than Max, without realizing that Max is in the better car so pressuring lewis does not give him a better chance to win.
I cannot wait till he leaves. He is not a bad driver but he has a penchant to race his teammates harder than his opponents and he used to do that with Massa if i remember correctly.
I think as much for Russell's benefit as anything. He has had a good development year at Williams this yearAMG.Tzan wrote: ↑07 Nov 2021, 23:46He's left the door wide open for Max many times this year! He fought Lewis harder in Spain than he ever has fought Verstapen this year! He is a joke...ringo wrote: ↑07 Nov 2021, 23:11i agree. Bottas is a sneaky little snake.1m0bius1 wrote: ↑07 Nov 2021, 22:22All they had to do was both move to the side that Verstappen went for the overtake. Instead bottas the Moron left the door wide open. for verstappen around the outside. Had they both moved to one side Verstappen would have been screwed and would have had to back out.
Seemed deliberate on Bottas' part. He made a crappy start, initially moved the cover then randomly moved toward lewis and opened the door to Max completely around the outside.
He seemed to want to pressure lewis more than Max, without realizing that Max is in the better car so pressuring lewis does not give him a better chance to win.
I cannot wait till he leaves. He is not a bad driver but he has a penchant to race his teammates harder than his opponents and he used to do that with Massa if i remember correctly.
Never really understood why after Bahrain 2020 Mercedes didn't put Russell in the car for 2021! Yes Bottas had just signed a contract but George destroyed him without even fitting in the car!
It would have been a totally different championship if George was in the car...for sure the WCC would have been ours! Anyway...the championship was lost after Mercedes and Lewis messed up Spa, Monza and Austin!
To be fair, Red Bull have maximized every single race they were favorites! Mercedes and Hamilton haven't...
Is he employed to be a slave for Lewis?dans79 wrote: ↑07 Nov 2021, 23:39At pretty much any company, when you repeatedly show you can't do your job properly you get fired/replaced!JordanMugen wrote: ↑07 Nov 2021, 23:32Given that decision to put Bottas in the car again, it would be illogical for Wolff to now be cross with Bottas.
Putting Russell in the car would've been a big risk as he could have done a Gasly and been way off the pace I suppose. Better to stick with the fast pole-winning Finn, instead of a potentially sluggish "junior" British driver?dans79 wrote: ↑07 Nov 2021, 23:39At pretty much any company, when you repeatedly show you can't do your job properly you get fired/replaced!JordanMugen wrote: ↑07 Nov 2021, 23:32Given that decision to put Bottas in the car again, it would be illogical for Wolff to now be cross with Bottas.
Precisely. I guess you viewed the risk of Russell being way off the pace in a 2021 Mercedes as too great?
I think he is a fast driver, but not the sharpest tool in the box. He can drive the wheels of, as long as it goes according to the script.RonMexico wrote: ↑07 Nov 2021, 23:50Is he employed to be a slave for Lewis?dans79 wrote: ↑07 Nov 2021, 23:39At pretty much any company, when you repeatedly show you can't do your job properly you get fired/replaced!JordanMugen wrote: ↑07 Nov 2021, 23:32Given that decision to put Bottas in the car again, it would be illogical for Wolff to now be cross with Bottas.
Why should he help Hamilton all the time anyway?
He still went out there and played whatever games Mercedes were trying at the end and then did the fastest lap.
I think the real answer here is he is just a second rate racer who is a strong qualifier. If this was a sudden change in performance then you might be onto something but this is the Driver he has been at Mercedes for the most part
Toto screwed him over a couple of times too many and now Bottas decided to administer a taste of his own medicin. He should have done that in his second year and then maybe he would have been racing for the title now. I'm sure Toto is realizing now how expensive these teamorders are.RonMexico wrote: ↑07 Nov 2021, 23:50Is he employed to be a slave for Lewis?dans79 wrote: ↑07 Nov 2021, 23:39At pretty much any company, when you repeatedly show you can't do your job properly you get fired/replaced!JordanMugen wrote: ↑07 Nov 2021, 23:32Given that decision to put Bottas in the car again, it would be illogical for Wolff to now be cross with Bottas.
Why should he help Hamilton all the time anyway?
He still went out there and played whatever games Mercedes were trying at the end and then did the fastest lap.
I think the real answer here is he is just a second rate racer who is a strong qualifier. If this was a sudden change in performance then you might be onto something but this is the Driver he has been at Mercedes for the most part
Russell will receive them too. Certainly in 22 (should it be needed at all). Maybe in the years following the playfield will be more open. Imho Russell is outstanding, but Hamilton is in that small class of all time great.Tizz wrote: ↑08 Nov 2021, 00:05Toto screwed him over a couple of times too many and now Bottas decided to administer a taste of his own medicin. He should have done that in his second year and then maybe he would have been racing for the title now. I'm sure Toto is realizing now how expensive these teamorders are.RonMexico wrote: ↑07 Nov 2021, 23:50Is he employed to be a slave for Lewis?
Why should he help Hamilton all the time anyway?
He still went out there and played whatever games Mercedes were trying at the end and then did the fastest lap.
I think the real answer here is he is just a second rate racer who is a strong qualifier. If this was a sudden change in performance then you might be onto something but this is the Driver he has been at Mercedes for the most part
Ofcourse he has a lot to prove but this stand-in drive for Hammi was deeply impressive. At least he brings a little bit more personality to the front of the grid... Looking forward to this whole new situation with a lot of excellent young drivers and totally new cars next year.Gillian wrote: ↑08 Nov 2021, 00:18I don't know how close it will be between Russell and Hamilton. I'm not convinced it even will be that exciting. Russel has shown he can drive sure, but for me it's hard to determine how good he actually is. But maybe I'm just a bit slow in getting it or something. I just never had those doubts about Hamilton and Verstappen. So to me it's a bit premature to think Russell is on that level.