2021 Mclaren F1 Team

[godlameroso]

There's still 4 races left, and Brazil is a very different track to Mexico. Now that the penalties are out of the way, the boys can run their power units a little harder to keep up with the Ferraris. Race pace of the leaders in Brazil will be in the high 13's with full tanks, the McLaren's will need to do mid 14's to keep in touch with the Ferraris.

[blastdoman]

Ok but how can Bottas be explained not able to pass Ricciardo with damage even though his car was faster?

Mercedes engine and Daniel's and Valtteri's hands.

[djos]

Well, that was a frustrating race!! Bloody Bottas being too timid into the first corner, braking early and then getting tagged by Daniel completely ruined Dan's race!!

And then the twat spends the rest of the race harassing Daniel and wrecking his tire life and ruining any chance of getting points!!! He really does not deserve to be in a front line car! Merc should have ditched him last year!

[Darth-Piekus]

Well, that was a frustrating race!! Bloody Bottas being too timid into the first corner, braking early and then getting tagged by Daniel completely ruined Dan's race!!

And then the twat spends the rest of the race harassing Daniel and wrecking his tire life and ruining any chance of getting points!!! He really does not deserve to be in a front line car! Merc should have ditched him last year!

It's not the first race Bottas ruined. In an earlier race I think Daniel was 2nd after that first turn till Bottas hit him in the back while at the same time Leclerc played kamikaze on Lando.

[djos]

Well, that was a frustrating race!! Bloody Bottas being too timid into the first corner, braking early and then getting tagged by Daniel completely ruined Dan's race!!

And then the twat spends the rest of the race harassing Daniel and wrecking his tire life and ruining any chance of getting points!!! He really does not deserve to be in a front line car! Merc should have ditched him last year!

It's not the first race Bottas ruined. In an earlier race I think Daniel was 2nd after that first turn till Bottas hit him in the back while at the same time Leclerc played kamikaze on Lando.

True, Bottas should never have been "promoted" from Williams, he's just not a top tier driver.

[codetower]

Well, that was a frustrating race!! Bloody Bottas being too timid into the first corner, braking early and then getting tagged by Daniel completely ruined Dan's race!!

And then the twat spends the rest of the race harassing Daniel and wrecking his tire life and ruining any chance of getting points!!! He really does not deserve to be in a front line car! Merc should have ditched him last year!

It's not the first race Bottas ruined. In an earlier race I think Daniel was 2nd after that first turn till Bottas hit him in the back while at the same time Leclerc played kamikaze on Lando.

If you are referring to the Hungarian GP, it was Stroll who crashed into Leclerc pushing him into Lando. Leclerc was just as much a passenger as Daniel and Lando. Crazy race…

[ScottR267]

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[Mclarensenna]

Well, that was a frustrating race!! Bloody Bottas being too timid into the first corner, braking early and then getting tagged by Daniel completely ruined Dan's race!!

And then the twat spends the rest of the race harassing Daniel and wrecking his tire life and ruining any chance of getting points!!! He really does not deserve to be in a front line car! Merc should have ditched him last year!

Bottas defended so poorly to the point i suspect it was possibly deliberate as he could not care less now he has lost the Merc seat. Look back at 2019 with both Ferraris on the front row vettel defended hard and refused to let Ham who was behind through. Bottas in comparison waved Max through with a red carpet.

All Bottas had to do was wiggle left and right very quickly and Verstappen would have been forced to lift and stay behind with nowhere to go as he seemed boxed in. Max would have lost momentum and possibly even ended up behind Ric. Ric could have ended up 3rd or 4th "possibly" as he had a mega start and Max if behind would have possibly faced the same overtaking issue as Italy. Ric had damage and lost downforce and Bottas could not get past so with an undamaged Car and the high Mclaren top speed i think RIc could have held on till the end and bagged some great points in 3rd, 4th or 5th

But Bottas extremely lazy defending started a chain reaction of events which ruined Rics race and ironically Bottas with both out of the points completely.
Toto Wolf should have been more ruthless and swapped Bottas and Russell as soon as the announcement was made.
I agree Bottas did not deserve that seat it was evident last year when Russell without fitting properly and used smaller shoes jumped in and instantly beat Bottas. We see from this year how much drivers struggle on race 1 jumping into a new car with Alonso, RIc, Sainz etc. All improved after a few races. Most drivers have a few tenths at least to half a second to find after a few races. No driver is at maximum speed in race 1.

So what was Merc thinking. Russell after a few races would easily have demolished Bottas if he matched him race 1 last year.
If i was Toto i would seriously swap them in Brazil. Russell will do a better job and get 4 races under his belt being near the front making him better prepared for next year and helping Ham this year. Its a no brainer IMHO

[djos]

Tbh, I think Mercedes hired Bottas simply because they knew he’d be a mostly passive number 2 driver. He sure as heck wasn’t a feisty Rosberg that’s for sure.

Fact is, Bottas isn’t even a has been, he’s a never was!

[Darth-Piekus]

After reading those news regarding Audi and Porshe, I would welcome a Mclaren Tag Porshe partnership again. It was that partnership which started the Mclaren dominance in the 80s getting Lauda and Prost in the team and giving Lauda his 3rd championship and Mclaren conquering titles from 1984 to 1986. However there are some questions also.

Is it a good idea to change from Mercedes to Audi Engines considering what happened last time with Honda as they will need time to be on F1 top level?
Is the new team of Zak Brown better at making the new engine compatible enough with the car so that it doesn't break down like what happened with Ron Dennis's previous team and the Honda engine?

[Mclarensenna]

After reading those news regarding Audi and Porshe, I would welcome a Mclaren Tag Porshe partnership again. It was that partnership which started the Mclaren dominance in the 80s getting Lauda and Prost in the team and giving Lauda his 3rd championship and Mclaren conquering titles from 1984 to 1986. However there are some questions also.

Is it a good idea to change from Mercedes to Audi Engines considering what happened last time with Honda as they will need time to be on F1 top level?
Is the new team of Zak Brown better at making the new engine compatible enough with the car so that it doesn't break down like what happened with Ron Dennis's previous team and the Honda engine?

Audi and Porsche would be starting from scratch or well below Where Merc is right now. Even with an engine rule change they would be on the back foot massively. As Merc has so much IP and tech already in F1 engines that could carry over to any new design engine in 2026 or whenever it is they decide. Not to mention Merc have over 600 staff, the facilities built, computer systems, dynos, etc etc. Audi and porsche are nowhere near this level right now.
It takes years to build up to the level of a team like Mercedes brixworth F1 engine division.

We saw how long it took Honda to build back up. its a very slow process.

In the 80s the staff and infrastructure f1 teams had was much smaller than now. A new team could come and do very well, very quickly in comparison. Nowdays its a whole different ballgame.

[Big Tea]

After reading those news regarding Audi and Porshe, I would welcome a Mclaren Tag Porshe partnership again. It was that partnership which started the Mclaren dominance in the 80s getting Lauda and Prost in the team and giving Lauda his 3rd championship and Mclaren conquering titles from 1984 to 1986. However there are some questions also.

Is it a good idea to change from Mercedes to Audi Engines considering what happened last time with Honda as they will need time to be on F1 top level?
Is the new team of Zak Brown better at making the new engine compatible enough with the car so that it doesn't break down like what happened with Ron Dennis's previous team and the Honda engine?

I remember the Honda glory days too . Wrong time to take a punt I think. Merc is the best option for the foreseeable future even if VW do finally commit, which I doubt.

[Emag]

So onto Brazil now. I already mentioned that predictions are a bit useless becauee the car is very incosistent.

But looking at the track.

T1-2-3 - Medium-Fastish
T4 - Fast
T5 - Flat
T6-7 - Fast
T8 - Slow
T9-10 - Medium
T11 - Slow
T12 - Flat?
T13 - Medium
Rest - Flat

On paper it doesn't seem like it should be a bad track. But to be honest, I don't know what to expect.

[Ground Effect]

Well, that was a frustrating race!! Bloody Bottas being too timid into the first corner, braking early and then getting tagged by Daniel completely ruined Dan's race!!

And then the twat spends the rest of the race harassing Daniel and wrecking his tire life and ruining any chance of getting points!!! He really does not deserve to be in a front line car! Merc should have ditched him last year!

It's not the first race Bottas ruined. In an earlier race I think Daniel was 2nd after that first turn till Bottas hit him in the back while at the same time Leclerc played kamikaze on Lando.

If you are referring to the Hungarian GP, it was Stroll who crashed into Leclerc pushing him into Lando. Leclerc was just as much a passenger as Daniel and Lando. Crazy race…

Bottas took out Lando in Hungary.

Valtteri Bottas braked late, causing him to hit the back of the McLaren of Lando Norris, sending Norris into Verstappen,

[codetower]

It's not the first race Bottas ruined. In an earlier race I think Daniel was 2nd after that first turn till Bottas hit him in the back while at the same time Leclerc played kamikaze on Lando.

If you are referring to the Hungarian GP, it was Stroll who crashed into Leclerc pushing him into Lando. Leclerc was just as much a passenger as Daniel and Lando. Crazy race…

Bottas took out Lando in Hungary.

Valtteri Bottas braked late, causing him to hit the back of the McLaren of Lando Norris, sending Norris into Verstappen,

Ahhh correct, my mistake. I think it was Ricciardo that Leclerc was pushed into in Hungary? I need to go back and see the video.

Which race was it that"Leclerc played kamikaze on Lando"?