The track is too wide for two cars to cover the cars behind, following with a tow. Besides, in the wet Imola start, Max took to white line to overtake Lewis on the start. He would have dared to go on the grass a bit on the left to overtake Bottas here, like Albon did in 2019. Lewis was trying to cover his inside as Checo was behind him with a tow. If both Mercedes gone to the extreme left and right, center of the track would open for both Max and Checo. One of them would have made it and in this case, it was Max.dans79 wrote: ↑09 Nov 2021, 00:21Bottass just seems to be getting worse by the day when it comes to wheel to wheel racing.Sieper wrote: ↑09 Nov 2021, 00:08Bottas is in tough situations not always very aware of his surroundings or limits. Or do we think he was in Hungary? I really don’t think so. Here he could have been very aggresive on Max, but it didn’t transpire. I do think checo would have taken the inside line, Mexico is easily 3 cars wide on the straight.
Imo, what he should have done, was as soon has he realized Lewis was along side, he should have slowly moved to the left to ensure less than a cars with of track was between him and the grass. Then all Lewis needs to do is ensure their is less than a cars with between himself and Bottas. That would have allowed the Mercs to basically block the entire track until well into the braking zone when it widens.
That would have put all the pressure on Max and Checo. Max has to decide if he wants to risk getting on the grass to go around the outside, or get pinched Singapore style if he decides to go between them. Checo has to decide between the marbles and also getting pinched Singapore style.Not to mention needing to worry about getting attacked from behind themselves.
And here is the voice of someone who has never driven an open wheel race car in anger. Do you really think it's that easy, that one has time to think through all the permutations and decide the 'best' solution and then achieve it? Just try it in real life, not on a computer, but in actual wheel to wheel racing in a single seater. It ain't what you think. What a bunch ! I've raced FF1600, FF2000, and Atlantic and the computer armchair drivers advising are pretty amusing to read. You have no idea.....dans79 wrote: ↑09 Nov 2021, 00:21Bottass just seems to be getting worse by the day when it comes to wheel to wheel racing.Sieper wrote: ↑09 Nov 2021, 00:08Bottas is in tough situations not always very aware of his surroundings or limits. Or do we think he was in Hungary? I really don’t think so. Here he could have been very aggresive on Max, but it didn’t transpire. I do think checo would have taken the inside line, Mexico is easily 3 cars wide on the straight.
Imo, what he should have done, was as soon has he realized Lewis was along side, he should have slowly moved to the left to ensure less than a cars with of track was between him and the grass. Then all Lewis needs to do is ensure their is less than a cars with between himself and Bottas. That would have allowed the Mercs to basically block the entire track until well into the braking zone when it widens.
That would have put all the pressure on Max and Checo. Max has to decide if he wants to risk getting on the grass to go around the outside, or get pinched Singapore style if he decides to go between them. Checo has to decide between the marbles and also getting pinched Singapore style.Not to mention needing to worry about getting attacked from behind themselves.
He was supposed to move to the right to give a tow to Lewis, which he tried.jumpingfish wrote: ↑09 Nov 2021, 10:54Starting moment
https://i.imgur.com/DastByq.jpg
Bottas looks into his rightside mirror
https://i.imgur.com/IBkhhiv.png
Moves to the right
https://i.imgur.com/Yq2wwmt.png
Distance to the left line you can see
https://i.imgur.com/EALOCHt.jpg
So how could he block Max at the same time? It seems a bit hard to give a tow for teammate on the right and block RB on the leftRyar wrote: ↑09 Nov 2021, 10:55He was supposed to move to the right to give a tow to Lewis, which he tried.jumpingfish wrote: ↑09 Nov 2021, 10:54Starting moment
https://i.imgur.com/DastByq.jpg
Bottas looks into his rightside mirror
https://i.imgur.com/IBkhhiv.png
Moves to the right
https://i.imgur.com/Yq2wwmt.png
Distance to the left line you can see
https://i.imgur.com/EALOCHt.jpg
So still there is a racing driver instinct in him even it is trimmed too much.jumpingfish wrote: ↑09 Nov 2021, 10:30
0:09 - 0:10 on the video, it seems Bottas made light move to the right, I think he didn't care about helping Ham, more about his own victory from pole. But I can be wrong
Wow look at that! What an idiot Bottas...andrewf1 wrote: ↑08 Nov 2021, 15:28You don't need to put a driver on the grass in order to box him in.Vaexa wrote: ↑08 Nov 2021, 14:57Bottas and/or Hamilton would've likely been penalised for any attempts to push Verstappen towards or even off track, given Masi published a document (document #55, Race Director's Note) explicitly reminding drivers that any attempts to hinder drivers by pushing them off the track or through any other "unusual change of direction" would be reported to the stewards.
I know that's probably unpalatable for the Mercedes fans who think a 2019 Ferrari style boxing in would've somehow kept Verstappen from winning this, but one or both Mercedes drivers being penalised likely would've just made the job a lot easier for Red Bull.
So that argument is invalid.
See this pic?
https://i.ibb.co/RBvkPGS/Maxonboard.png
If Bottas had kept the line, Max would've had nowhere to go.
Or would have had to back off in order to switch to the dirty inside.
I agree. I was smiling at the comments. Each time I watch the start from the onboards I am impressed with the speed the chaos, the anger. You understand how intuitive those guys need to pick their lines.Rodak wrote: ↑09 Nov 2021, 06:52And here is the voice of someone who has never driven an open wheel race car in anger. Do you really think it's that easy, that one has time to think through all the permutations and decide the 'best' solution and then achieve it? Just try it in real life, not on a computer, but in actual wheel to wheel racing in a single seater. It ain't what you think. What a bunch of wankers. I've raced FF1600, FF2000, and Atlantic and the computer armchair drivers advising are pretty amusing to read. You have no idea.....dans79 wrote: ↑09 Nov 2021, 00:21Bottass just seems to be getting worse by the day when it comes to wheel to wheel racing.Sieper wrote: ↑09 Nov 2021, 00:08Bottas is in tough situations not always very aware of his surroundings or limits. Or do we think he was in Hungary? I really don’t think so. Here he could have been very aggresive on Max, but it didn’t transpire. I do think checo would have taken the inside line, Mexico is easily 3 cars wide on the straight.
Imo, what he should have done, was as soon has he realized Lewis was along side, he should have slowly moved to the left to ensure less than a cars with of track was between him and the grass. Then all Lewis needs to do is ensure their is less than a cars with between himself and Bottas. That would have allowed the Mercs to basically block the entire track until well into the braking zone when it widens.
That would have put all the pressure on Max and Checo. Max has to decide if he wants to risk getting on the grass to go around the outside, or get pinched Singapore style if he decides to go between them. Checo has to decide between the marbles and also getting pinched Singapore style.Not to mention needing to worry about getting attacked from behind themselves.
That was the expectation, from people here.jumpingfish wrote: ↑09 Nov 2021, 11:01So how could he block Max at the same time? It seems a bit hard to give a tow for teammate on the right and block RB on the leftRyar wrote: ↑09 Nov 2021, 10:55He was supposed to move to the right to give a tow to Lewis, which he tried.jumpingfish wrote: ↑09 Nov 2021, 10:54Starting moment
https://i.imgur.com/DastByq.jpg
Bottas looks into his rightside mirror
https://i.imgur.com/IBkhhiv.png
Moves to the right
https://i.imgur.com/Yq2wwmt.png
Distance to the left line you can see
https://i.imgur.com/EALOCHt.jpg
Yes.Ryar wrote: ↑09 Nov 2021, 11:51That was the expectation, from people here.jumpingfish wrote: ↑09 Nov 2021, 11:01So how could he block Max at the same time? It seems a bit hard to give a tow for teammate on the right and block RB on the left