You're welcome Gillian and thank you too.
Yeah, It was nice of the Marshals to organise a meet with Max, and nice of Max to take the time. I wonder if Horner went and said sorry in person.Wouter wrote: ↑22 Nov 2021, 14:12Max took a moment yesterday to chat with the marshall waving the double yellow flag.
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Everyone? Just some Ham fans calles it off after the DSQ. Every realistic spectator knew that it was only over if we do not see Ham on the podium on Sunday.AeroDynamic wrote: ↑22 Nov 2021, 14:27I think it’s the complete opposite to what you claimed. I think it’s alive! they have revived the championship completely. I don’t know anybody who said it was “alive” after Mexico, especially the DSQ in Brazil. MCS and Lewis have kept it alivetill the end now. Everyone thought it was over and dead after Mexico and USA with the DSQ in Brazil. Why do I get the feeling you might not have declared it “dead” then?Jambier wrote: ↑22 Nov 2021, 14:14I mean "killed" because I expected a close fight for the last 4 races, and this is not what is happening.NathanOlder wrote: ↑21 Nov 2021, 23:03
So Mercedes can only win the WDC in the final round, no sooner! yet you say they killed the championship? Bit much don't you think?
There is a huge gap in performance, has there was in previous years with Red Bull only grabing victories on Mercedes failures or weakness.
So I expect Mercedes to dominate all races, doesn't mean that a surprise can' t happen but I don't see any capability to match their pace
If they had the points lead at this stage, it would be a different story, then I would agree, championship over slightly prematurely, still wouldn’t really be ‘dead’ though, there was a finale guaranteed in Abu Dhabi, down to the wire, without incidents . But right now it’s a points lead on one side, vs better performing package and team at the moment. It’s still open.
basti313 wrote: ↑22 Nov 2021, 16:23Everyone? Just some Ham fans calles it off after the DSQ. Every realistic spectator knew that it was only over if we do not see Ham on the podium on Sunday.AeroDynamic wrote: ↑22 Nov 2021, 14:27I think it’s the complete opposite to what you claimed. I think it’s alive! they have revived the championship completely. I don’t know anybody who said it was “alive” after Mexico, especially the DSQ in Brazil. MCS and Lewis have kept it alivetill the end now. Everyone thought it was over and dead after Mexico and USA with the DSQ in Brazil. Why do I get the feeling you might not have declared it “dead” then?Jambier wrote: ↑22 Nov 2021, 14:14
I mean "killed" because I expected a close fight for the last 4 races, and this is not what is happening.
There is a huge gap in performance, has there was in previous years with Red Bull only grabing victories on Mercedes failures or weakness.
So I expect Mercedes to dominate all races, doesn't mean that a surprise can' t happen but I don't see any capability to match their pace
If they had the points lead at this stage, it would be a different story, then I would agree, championship over slightly prematurely, still wouldn’t really be ‘dead’ though, there was a finale guaranteed in Abu Dhabi, down to the wire, without incidents . But right now it’s a points lead on one side, vs better performing package and team at the moment. It’s still open.
The rest of the season looks a bit like 2006 to me. Merc has the car to pull two easy 1-2 in the last two races. Now Bot does not even play a role, but if the engine (spICE) blows up we have a Schumacher vs. Fonso situation.With the changes to Abu I can see two power hungry tracks coming. It is all to lose for Merc now....but given their advantage they need to screw up massively to lose it.
Anything can happen on a circuit like Jeddah. It reminds me of Baku and you know how Baku is everytime we race there. It's a very chaotic race with interruptions. The track surface tho makes it not really a street circuit, because I dont think they go through sections where it's actual public roads, so no crossing or white lines of public roads. So in that regard it's a full-blown GP circuit, but I agree it feels very street course like.basti313 wrote: ↑22 Nov 2021, 16:23Everyone? Just some Ham fans calles it off after the DSQ. Every realistic spectator knew that it was only over if we do not see Ham on the podium on Sunday.AeroDynamic wrote: ↑22 Nov 2021, 14:27I think it’s the complete opposite to what you claimed. I think it’s alive! they have revived the championship completely. I don’t know anybody who said it was “alive” after Mexico, especially the DSQ in Brazil. MCS and Lewis have kept it alivetill the end now. Everyone thought it was over and dead after Mexico and USA with the DSQ in Brazil. Why do I get the feeling you might not have declared it “dead” then?Jambier wrote: ↑22 Nov 2021, 14:14
I mean "killed" because I expected a close fight for the last 4 races, and this is not what is happening.
There is a huge gap in performance, has there was in previous years with Red Bull only grabing victories on Mercedes failures or weakness.
So I expect Mercedes to dominate all races, doesn't mean that a surprise can' t happen but I don't see any capability to match their pace
If they had the points lead at this stage, it would be a different story, then I would agree, championship over slightly prematurely, still wouldn’t really be ‘dead’ though, there was a finale guaranteed in Abu Dhabi, down to the wire, without incidents . But right now it’s a points lead on one side, vs better performing package and team at the moment. It’s still open.
The rest of the season looks a bit like 2006 to me. Merc has the car to pull two easy 1-2 in the last two races. Now Bot does not even play a role, but if the engine (spICE) blows up we have a Schumacher vs. Fonso situation.With the changes to Abu I can see two power hungry tracks coming. It is all to lose for Merc now....but given their advantage they need to screw up massively to lose it.
Because you know the track surface in Saudi?...aha...WaikeCU wrote: ↑22 Nov 2021, 16:43Anything can happen on a circuit like Jeddah. It reminds me of Baku and you know how Baku is everytime we race there. It's a very chaotic race with interruptions. The track surface tho makes it not really a street circuit, because I dont think they go through sections where it's actual public roads, so no crossing or white lines of public roads. So in that regard it's a full-blown GP circuit, but I agree it feels very street course like.basti313 wrote: ↑22 Nov 2021, 16:23Everyone? Just some Ham fans calles it off after the DSQ. Every realistic spectator knew that it was only over if we do not see Ham on the podium on Sunday.AeroDynamic wrote: ↑22 Nov 2021, 14:27
I think it’s the complete opposite to what you claimed. I think it’s alive! they have revived the championship completely. I don’t know anybody who said it was “alive” after Mexico, especially the DSQ in Brazil. MCS and Lewis have kept it alivetill the end now. Everyone thought it was over and dead after Mexico and USA with the DSQ in Brazil. Why do I get the feeling you might not have declared it “dead” then?
If they had the points lead at this stage, it would be a different story, then I would agree, championship over slightly prematurely, still wouldn’t really be ‘dead’ though, there was a finale guaranteed in Abu Dhabi, down to the wire, without incidents . But right now it’s a points lead on one side, vs better performing package and team at the moment. It’s still open.
The rest of the season looks a bit like 2006 to me. Merc has the car to pull two easy 1-2 in the last two races. Now Bot does not even play a role, but if the engine (spICE) blows up we have a Schumacher vs. Fonso situation.With the changes to Abu I can see two power hungry tracks coming. It is all to lose for Merc now....but given their advantage they need to screw up massively to lose it.
Ham is open to make mistakes. For example if team would allow him he would go longer stint and maybe end up with puncture. If he has faster car he didn't feel pressure.Gillian wrote: ↑22 Nov 2021, 11:30Well I have watched every single race since I was about 6 years old and I'm not a teenager, nor in my twenties or... I remember multiple seasons where the conclusion was pretty clear before even half the season was done...
It was pretty close most of the season but it's evident the last few reasons the gap between Red Bull and Mercedes has increased. I know some will think things like it's about the track, setup, temperatures etc and if you want to believe that it's okay.
For me personally there is nothing Red Bull could have done to win any of Russia, Turkey, Brazil or Qatar. Well done by Hamilton for sure, he got everything out of it last few races.
But the gap has opened up. Mercedes has 3 to 5 tenths in the qualifying, depending on what engine/engine mode they opt to use. I think in the race it's a bit closer, but Mercedes is slightly faster and easier on the tires. Above all the Mercedes looks nicely balanced, where earlier this season it looked a bit off.
At this point I don't see Hamilton making any silly mistakes like he did earlier. He knows he has the better car now and he is focussed to get it done.
Do Red Bull want supporters who are only there if they win? Red Bull supporters are supposed to support Red Bull, not the winner (As for all teams)godzi wrote: ↑22 Nov 2021, 20:57To all those who are already lamenting the loss of the title, you are only supporters of the victory, keep in mind that Red Bull and Honda will react! Don't think they will watch Mercedes steal the title! You honestly think that between the usa and quatar Mercedes has gone from turtle to racehorse.... Or the opposite for Red Bull Honda, of course not..... Remember that, there will be more surprises, and not small ones!
Well, Mercedes made the RedBull car look like a Daitsu at the last 2 races. They found really a lot of speed. Lets keep in mind that Lewis didnt use the new engine in qatar.west52keep64 wrote: ↑22 Nov 2021, 21:43This is far from over. The Verstappen + Red Bull combination has been the best of the season so far and has won the most races, Hamilton can only equal the number of race wins now. Verstappen can win the title in the next race, Hamilton cannot. Hamilton has not won more than 2 races in a row so far this season, he's just won the last two and needs to win the next two. Mercedes are being pushed in to making more mistakes than ever, just look at Bottas in the last race, and look at how badly the second race at Bahrain went last year.
The performance has swung between these two teams all season, there's no reason to believe it won't continue to do so. There's everything to play for in this championship, it is absolutely not over.
Win or lose doesn't matter, I just like how this team carries itself. That said, everything is still to play for, it ain't over till it's over.Big Tea wrote: ↑22 Nov 2021, 21:15Do Red Bull want supporters who are only there if they win? Red Bull supporters are supposed to support Red Bull, not the winner (As for all teams)godzi wrote: ↑22 Nov 2021, 20:57To all those who are already lamenting the loss of the title, you are only supporters of the victory, keep in mind that Red Bull and Honda will react! Don't think they will watch Mercedes steal the title! You honestly think that between the usa and quatar Mercedes has gone from turtle to racehorse.... Or the opposite for Red Bull Honda, of course not..... Remember that, there will be more surprises, and not small ones!
Yeah Mercedes took a big step in performance, nothing that could come from just setup. Something else is going on, but nothing that we'll ever find out about. Call it a gut feeling. However it's not over, Verstappen just has to outscore Hamilton one more time. Honda isn't going to take this lying down, and neither will RBR, so I expect them to pull out all the stops either in Jeddah or Abu Dhabi.yener wrote: ↑22 Nov 2021, 22:55Well, Mercedes made the RedBull car look like a Daitsu at the last 2 races. They found really a lot of speed. Lets keep in mind that Lewis didnt use the new engine in qatar.west52keep64 wrote: ↑22 Nov 2021, 21:43This is far from over. The Verstappen + Red Bull combination has been the best of the season so far and has won the most races, Hamilton can only equal the number of race wins now. Verstappen can win the title in the next race, Hamilton cannot. Hamilton has not won more than 2 races in a row so far this season, he's just won the last two and needs to win the next two. Mercedes are being pushed in to making more mistakes than ever, just look at Bottas in the last race, and look at how badly the second race at Bahrain went last year.
The performance has swung between these two teams all season, there's no reason to believe it won't continue to do so. There's everything to play for in this championship, it is absolutely not over.
Im afraid its over
Such as blaming an unpaid volunteer for the mistake made by their multi-millionaire star driver?godlameroso wrote: ↑23 Nov 2021, 00:56
Win or lose doesn't matter, I just like how this team carries itself.