Having watched almost the entire race via Max's onboard (post race), he was losing time in turn 6 because he looked to have understeer thats was constantly taking him way out onto the high exit curbs, not because of a traction deficit!godlameroso wrote: ↑29 Nov 2021, 18:00Most of the deficit came from turn 6, the most traction sensitive corner on the entire track, much like Hamilton had a massive advantage out of Juncao in Brazil.
He was told to stay off those curbs mid race, whatever happened helped because that entry oversteer led to him matching Hamilton. In fact Verstappen's fastest lap was faster than what Hamilton managed on the same tire.dans79 wrote: ↑29 Nov 2021, 18:10Having watched almost the entire race via Max's onboard (post race), he was losing time in turn 6 because he looked to have understeer thats was constantly taking him way out onto the high exit curbs, not because of a traction deficit!godlameroso wrote: ↑29 Nov 2021, 18:00Most of the deficit came from turn 6, the most traction sensitive corner on the entire track, much like Hamilton had a massive advantage out of Juncao in Brazil.
It’s not really comparable after stint 1 since Hamilton already had a 8-9 second gap by then. He simply maintained it afterwards, and as soon as Verstappen made a push, Hamilton simply responded. It’s quite clear from the onboards how safe Hamilton played it, and how much he actually managed the car and tyres.godlameroso wrote: ↑29 Nov 2021, 18:34He was told to stay off those curbs mid race, whatever happened helped because that entry oversteer led to him matching Hamilton. In fact Verstappen's fastest lap was faster than what Hamilton managed on the same tire.dans79 wrote: ↑29 Nov 2021, 18:10Having watched almost the entire race via Max's onboard (post race), he was losing time in turn 6 because he looked to have understeer thats was constantly taking him way out onto the high exit curbs, not because of a traction deficit!godlameroso wrote: ↑29 Nov 2021, 18:00Most of the deficit came from turn 6, the most traction sensitive corner on the entire track, much like Hamilton had a massive advantage out of Juncao in Brazil.
Well, just looking back at the timing, and watching from lap 22 to lap 31 so 10 laps and a few laps after the first pit stops. In turn 6 Max only lost a full tenth or more on 2 laps. On each of those 2 laps he was up behind Mazepin and then Russell so being tucked up behind a backmarker will lose time for obvious reasons. So If Horner said Max was losing 2 tenths per lap out of turn 6, he is talking bs again. Only when behind a back marker did he lose more that 1 tenth, and of those 10 laps I looked back at , 6 were closer to 0 than 1 tenth, only 2 were nearly a tenth.godlameroso wrote: ↑29 Nov 2021, 18:04Horner said Max was matching Hamilton after the first stint, and that he was losing two tenths per lap out of turn 6 which is a slow low downforce corner that puts more emphasis on traction that entry. Just like turn 12 in Brazil. You also claimed that Verstappen is faster in 1, 2 & 10 all corners that require good turn in and are medium speed corners where downforce matters more.
Exactly this, he worked up a decent gap, then maintained the gap. If Max hadn't have stopped for new tyres and without the VSC , I think Lewis would have taken fastest lap but unfortunately we will never know.Tvetovnato wrote: ↑29 Nov 2021, 18:40It’s not really comparable after stint 1 since Hamilton already had a 8-9 second gap by then. He simply maintained it afterwards, and as soon as Verstappen made a push, Hamilton simply responded. It’s quite clear from the onboards how safe Hamilton played it, and how much he actually managed the car and tyres.godlameroso wrote: ↑29 Nov 2021, 18:34He was told to stay off those curbs mid race, whatever happened helped because that entry oversteer led to him matching Hamilton. In fact Verstappen's fastest lap was faster than what Hamilton managed on the same tire.
take a look at https://www.racefans.net/2021/11/21/202 ... and-tyres/godlameroso wrote: ↑29 Nov 2021, 18:34In fact Verstappen's fastest lap was faster than what Hamilton managed on the same tire.
Turn 10 was the only corner where HAM lost time to his previous lap according to his steering wheel, on his first attempt he was about as fast as VER's final Q3 effort, Bottas had an even higher minimum speed through there I believe.godlameroso wrote: ↑29 Nov 2021, 18:04Horner said Max was matching Hamilton after the first stint, and that he was losing two tenths per lap out of turn 6 which is a slow low downforce corner that puts more emphasis on traction that entry. Just like turn 12 in Brazil. You also claimed that Verstappen is faster in 1, 2 & 10 all corners that require good turn in and are medium speed corners where downforce matters more.
At no point during his last Q3 lap was Verstappen aware of any yellow flags on track, apart from maybe double waved yellow form marshalling post on the start/finish straight. Nothing popped on his steering wheel and team didn't tell him anything over the radio. As far as he was concerned track was clear trough and trough and certainly wasn't influencing his driving on that lap.godlameroso wrote: ↑29 Nov 2021, 18:00Remember that Verstappen likely saw the yellow flag already in sector 2 likely compromising his rhythm.
T1 is a weird corner. 8 kmh higher apex speed resulted in almost no advantage gained for Hamilton:HungarianRacer wrote: ↑29 Nov 2021, 21:27As for T1 & 2, HAM choose to be very conservative on the brakes after the pair of snaps he had in this section on his prior attempt, nevertheless, his min. speed was actually still a colossal 8 km/h higher than VER's in T1...
How much of the deficit was down to the damaged front wing?godlameroso wrote: ↑29 Nov 2021, 18:04Horner said Max was matching Hamilton after the first stint, and that he was losing two tenths per lap out of turn 6 which is a slow low downforce corner that puts more emphasis on traction that entry. Just like turn 12 in Brazil. You also claimed that Verstappen is faster in 1, 2 & 10 all corners that require good turn in and are medium speed corners where downforce matters more.
Looks like the rubber held up better with HAM.Juzh wrote: ↑30 Nov 2021, 01:27T1 is a weird corner. 8 kmh higher apex speed resulted in almost no advantage gained for Hamilton:HungarianRacer wrote: ↑29 Nov 2021, 21:27As for T1 & 2, HAM choose to be very conservative on the brakes after the pair of snaps he had in this section on his prior attempt, nevertheless, his min. speed was actually still a colossal 8 km/h higher than VER's in T1...
Why would you say that when Verstappen had more speed trough final two corners T15 and T16? Even if you balance out entry/exit priorities by both drivers the gap is more or less the same if not slightly in Verstappen's favour from turn 10 till the end. All gains by hamilton are done on straights from that point onwards.ringo wrote: ↑30 Nov 2021, 05:10Looks like the rubber held up better with HAM.Juzh wrote: ↑30 Nov 2021, 01:27T1 is a weird corner. 8 kmh higher apex speed resulted in almost no advantage gained for Hamilton:HungarianRacer wrote: ↑29 Nov 2021, 21:27As for T1 & 2, HAM choose to be very conservative on the brakes after the pair of snaps he had in this section on his prior attempt, nevertheless, his min. speed was actually still a colossal 8 km/h higher than VER's in T1...