Engines don't fall under the budget cap so no worries there.
Are you sure? Can stomper teams have to pay ‘x’ million dollars for engines, based in 3-4 per year, how can that not be a part of the operating budget of a team. A ‘works’ teams must be equivalating with that usage, surely?
Mercedes High Performance Power (i.e. the engine manufacturer) is separate from Mercedes F1 team so effectively even Mercedes are a customer (with the fixed-cost associated with the contract for engine supply), but here:Stu wrote: ↑27 Nov 2021, 18:32Are you sure? Can stomper teams have to pay ‘x’ million dollars for engines, based in 3-4 per year, how can that not be a part of the operating budget of a team. A ‘works’ teams must be equivalating with that usage, surely?
Good question. I guess someone would need to work their way through the FIA regulations for an answer.Stu wrote: ↑27 Nov 2021, 18:32Are you sure? Can stomper teams have to pay ‘x’ million dollars for engines, based in 3-4 per year, how can that not be a part of the operating budget of a team. A ‘works’ teams must be equivalating with that usage, surely?
You are very close to what I am trying to say generally. So what do you think about engine freeze and keeping it alive when you see mercs are 1 sec faster ? What about doing nothing with oil burning when it is a breach of fuel flow limit in reality? Even if it were not how Fia didn't ban to keep competition close ?djones wrote: ↑29 Nov 2021, 14:47Mercedes have pulled a smart move with the engine change.
To now start talking about budget caps or increased penalties for engine changes is pretty hilarious, given how many engines Honda have gone through in recent years. Indeed some of the rules were relaxed with Honda in mind.
All the engine manufacturers could have had the same development time and resources. If one chose to start sooner or put more money into it, that is just how the game works.etusch wrote: ↑29 Nov 2021, 15:09You are very close to what I am trying to say generally. So what do you think about engine freeze and keeping it alive when you see mercs are 1 sec faster ? What about doing nothing with oil burning when it is a breach of fuel flow limit in reality? Even if it were not how Fia didn't ban to keep competition close ?djones wrote: ↑29 Nov 2021, 14:47Mercedes have pulled a smart move with the engine change.
To now start talking about budget caps or increased penalties for engine changes is pretty hilarious, given how many engines Honda have gone through in recent years. Indeed some of the rules were relaxed with Honda in mind.
It is not works for you and you miss that but I talked about new comers and rules for them to allow them catch which was not case for honda. By the way how much honda benefited from this engine change rule ?
You are working very hard not to understand. This is not leman24 which has different series race at one time. If they allow to develop teams who are back, they can catch and will be different story but guess what. Only one engine is manufacturing in england.djones wrote: ↑29 Nov 2021, 16:18All the engine manufacturers could have had the same development time and resources. If one chose to start sooner or put more money into it, that is just how the game works.etusch wrote: ↑29 Nov 2021, 15:09You are very close to what I am trying to say generally. So what do you think about engine freeze and keeping it alive when you see mercs are 1 sec faster ? What about doing nothing with oil burning when it is a breach of fuel flow limit in reality? Even if it were not how Fia didn't ban to keep competition close ?djones wrote: ↑29 Nov 2021, 14:47Mercedes have pulled a smart move with the engine change.
To now start talking about budget caps or increased penalties for engine changes is pretty hilarious, given how many engines Honda have gone through in recent years. Indeed some of the rules were relaxed with Honda in mind.
It is not works for you and you miss that but I talked about new comers and rules for them to allow them catch which was not case for honda. By the way how much honda benefited from this engine change rule ?
Even if they all started at the same time and with the same money, one will do a better job.
The engines will never be equal in F1. The only way to make them equal is to have one independent engine manufacturer.
Great pics! Much larger intake. Wonder how much it will impact the other cooling duct._cerber1 wrote: ↑03 Dec 2021, 09:27By @f1debrief
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Engine freeze with a merc advantage happened before and it was a HILARIOUS disaster.etusch wrote: ↑29 Nov 2021, 15:09You are very close to what I am trying to say generally. So what do you think about engine freeze and keeping it alive when you see mercs are 1 sec faster ? What about doing nothing with oil burning when it is a breach of fuel flow limit in reality? Even if it were not how Fia didn't ban to keep competition close ?djones wrote: ↑29 Nov 2021, 14:47Mercedes have pulled a smart move with the engine change.
To now start talking about budget caps or increased penalties for engine changes is pretty hilarious, given how many engines Honda have gone through in recent years. Indeed some of the rules were relaxed with Honda in mind.
It is not works for you and you miss that but I talked about new comers and rules for them to allow them catch which was not case for honda. By the way how much honda benefited from this engine change rule ?