2021 Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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Tvetovnato
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TNTHead wrote:
05 Dec 2021, 23:21
TwanV wrote:
05 Dec 2021, 22:59
Hamilton is a cunning fellow ; deciding not to overtake max (after multiple seconds, downshifts and all, maybe he's getting old?), running into the back of car in front and then relieved of the opposition with a little FIA assistance. After a terribly advantageous VS ending practically gifting him first place, that started the whole episode. Just depressing. Nevertheless, objectively, not a bad result considering yesterday ; Qatar will be epic.
The VSC came exactly when HAM approached at 0.7s,that smelled a bit fishy indeed. But given the tyre advantage in the end it didn't really matter.
Hamilton was given no information on why Verstappen slowed down, which is a huge mess by Masi and his gang of idiots. They should have made sure Hamilton was relayed that message by a confirmation, and then told RB that he has been informed and that they can go ahead with the swap. Given how many VSCs there were right before, it’s not hard to understand Hamilton’s hesitance.

1m0bius1
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To Me max was letting lewis past and then braked intentionally and even swerved toward hamilton. Looked at thre on board several times. He just tried to use letting him past as a guise of what his real I tension is. Which he obviously tried to do multiple times in this race and previously.


Imo this was trying to intentially take him out. Overtaking off track and also going off track several times with the intention of hitting hamilton. Extremely dirty driving.
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seense
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Tvetovnato wrote:
06 Dec 2021, 00:28
TNTHead wrote:
05 Dec 2021, 23:21
TwanV wrote:
05 Dec 2021, 22:59
Hamilton is a cunning fellow ; deciding not to overtake max (after multiple seconds, downshifts and all, maybe he's getting old?), running into the back of car in front and then relieved of the opposition with a little FIA assistance. After a terribly advantageous VS ending practically gifting him first place, that started the whole episode. Just depressing. Nevertheless, objectively, not a bad result considering yesterday ; Qatar will be epic.
The VSC came exactly when HAM approached at 0.7s,that smelled a bit fishy indeed. But given the tyre advantage in the end it didn't really matter.
Hamilton was given no information on why Verstappen slowed down, which is a huge mess by Masi and his gang of idiots. They should have made sure Hamilton was relayed that message by a confirmation, and then told RB that he has been informed and that they can go ahead with the swap. Given how many VSCs there were right before, it’s not hard to understand Hamilton’s hesitance.
No, you're absolutely wrong. They are racers. He will never hesitate to overtake max. As i said before it's about the DRS line. They didn't want to give eachother the benefit of having drs on the main straight.

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It doesn’t matter if Hamilton was given a message that Verstappen was going to give the position. It was green flag conditions! Which means you can overtake…

I cannot comprehend how a 7 time WDC would not know to overtake a slower car. Their job is to race!

Hamilton should never have been in such close proximity behind Verstappen. It’s so perplexing.
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seense
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1m0bius1 wrote:
06 Dec 2021, 00:35
To Me max was letting lewis past and then braked intentionally and even swerved toward hamilton. Looked at thre on board several times. He just tried to use letting him past as a guise of what his real I tension is. Which he obviously tried to do multiple times in this race and previously.


Imo this was trying to intentially take him out. Overtaking off track and also going off track several times with the intention of hitting hamilton. Extremely dirty driving.
So let your championchip rival crash into you with a high risk of being taken out yourself and not Hamilton? :wtf: #-o

Tvetovnato
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seense wrote:
06 Dec 2021, 00:37
Tvetovnato wrote:
06 Dec 2021, 00:28
TNTHead wrote:
05 Dec 2021, 23:21


The VSC came exactly when HAM approached at 0.7s,that smelled a bit fishy indeed. But given the tyre advantage in the end it didn't really matter.
Hamilton was given no information on why Verstappen slowed down, which is a huge mess by Masi and his gang of idiots. They should have made sure Hamilton was relayed that message by a confirmation, and then told RB that he has been informed and that they can go ahead with the swap. Given how many VSCs there were right before, it’s not hard to understand Hamilton’s hesitance.
No, you're absolutely wrong. They are racers. He will never hesitate to overtake max. As i said before it's about the DRS line. They didn't want to give eachother the benefit of having drs on the main straight.
Dude, the F1TV onboards are right there to see for everyone.

Hamilton right after the turn one incident: He’s f’in crazy man.

Bono: yeah Lewis We’re on it.

Then silence right until just after the contact, and Hamilton sounding confused. Had he been given the message what would have happened, he would have blasted past Max.

Tvetovnato
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Aaand now he got a penalty for his manouvre, +10 seconds added to his race time (just posted on FIA website). Just underlines what a sub-par behavior he resorts to when under pressure.

seense
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Tvetovnato wrote:
06 Dec 2021, 00:40
seense wrote:
06 Dec 2021, 00:37
Tvetovnato wrote:
06 Dec 2021, 00:28


Hamilton was given no information on why Verstappen slowed down, which is a huge mess by Masi and his gang of idiots. They should have made sure Hamilton was relayed that message by a confirmation, and then told RB that he has been informed and that they can go ahead with the swap. Given how many VSCs there were right before, it’s not hard to understand Hamilton’s hesitance.
No, you're absolutely wrong. They are racers. He will never hesitate to overtake max. As i said before it's about the DRS line. They didn't want to give eachother the benefit of having drs on the main straight.
Dude, the F1TV onboards are right there to see for everyone.

Hamilton right after the turn one incident: He’s f’in crazy man.

Bono: yeah Lewis We’re on it.

Then silence right until just after the contact, and Hamilton sounding confused. Had he been given the message what would have happened, he would have blasted past Max.
If you are hesitant about the on track behaviour of your opponent, then it's extremely stupid to put your car within a few meters of his gearbox. Then you would decide to get so close a cars width to the left ruling out the possibility to be brake tested.

Viper2789
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Unbelievable that some of you on here allow your emotions to overrule logic. Max did brake test him and made a few moves today that were very dodgy. The thing is with you guys on here is that a lot of you are completely wrapped up in Max and can't see anything else. The same people call Mazepin and Tsunoda dangerous too! Irony!

Tvetovnato
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seense wrote:
06 Dec 2021, 00:49
Tvetovnato wrote:
06 Dec 2021, 00:40
seense wrote:
06 Dec 2021, 00:37


No, you're absolutely wrong. They are racers. He will never hesitate to overtake max. As i said before it's about the DRS line. They didn't want to give eachother the benefit of having drs on the main straight.
Dude, the F1TV onboards are right there to see for everyone.

Hamilton right after the turn one incident: He’s f’in crazy man.

Bono: yeah Lewis We’re on it.

Then silence right until just after the contact, and Hamilton sounding confused. Had he been given the message what would have happened, he would have blasted past Max.
If you are hesitant about the on track behaviour of your opponent, then it's extremely stupid to put your car within a few meters of his gearbox. Then you would decide to get so close a cars width to the left ruling out the possibility to be brake tested.
What, so you should even have to be afraid of the possibility that you might be brake tested? Incredible.

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Viper2789 wrote:
06 Dec 2021, 00:54
Unbelievable that some of you on here allow your emotions to overrule logic. Max did brake test him and made a few moves today that were very dodgy. The thing is with you guys on here is that a lot of you are completely wrapped up in Max and can't see anything else. The same people call Mazepin and Tsunoda dangerous too! Irony!
the fact the fia have given him a penalty that has absolutely zero material impact on his race result is the biggest joke of all. you dont put 69bar of brake pressure into the system without any intent.its crazy really, the guy is a joke.

TwanV
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69 bar that sounds like a lot! My little hydropneumatic citroen generates 145 all the time. And it stops well.. 2.4 G is stretching it.
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Swifty wrote:
05 Dec 2021, 23:11
godlameroso wrote:
05 Dec 2021, 22:44
It's not over yet. I still think Verstappen can edge out Hamilton in Abu Dhabi. The hard tire is this round's medium tire, and they're only good for ~100km.
Sorry, man. I mean no harm, but... your predictions were kinda loosely this season...

Look at Abu Dhabi:
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/imag ... zLaMM&s=10
No way Ham is not taking the W. Think Brazil 4x.
Your predictions aren't worth considering either so whatever. I don't care if this harms you. I was right about the tires, Max had the pace to win today, but not the tires. So whatever you think is ok with me.
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seense
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Tvetovnato wrote:
06 Dec 2021, 00:58
seense wrote:
06 Dec 2021, 00:49
Tvetovnato wrote:
06 Dec 2021, 00:40


Dude, the F1TV onboards are right there to see for everyone.

Hamilton right after the turn one incident: He’s f’in crazy man.

Bono: yeah Lewis We’re on it.

Then silence right until just after the contact, and Hamilton sounding confused. Had he been given the message what would have happened, he would have blasted past Max.
If you are hesitant about the on track behaviour of your opponent, then it's extremely stupid to put your car within a few meters of his gearbox. Then you would decide to get so close a cars width to the left ruling out the possibility to be brake tested.
What, so you should even have to be afraid of the possibility that you might be brake tested? Incredible.
If you're hesitant (which you stated LH was) then yes!

The FIA saying max braked too hard. Well thats the case then I guess. Penalty served. But the document also showed it was about the DRS line. Both were aware of that. No hesitance was included.

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