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[saviour stivala]

Honda power! Amazing how they've kept their powder dry until the very last moment. Enjoy tomorrow everyone, whatever the outcome.

Yes amazing Honda engine but 'the very last moment' is the race ending flag tomorrow.

[etusch]

Anyone knows race pace? I couldn't follow and I wonder if they will be good at race or not. Also I wonder why Verstappen didn't tow perez at second run? First row lock up would be better.

[Wouter]

I'm sorry, but you can't claim to be 100% correct on this unless you can provide something to backup this claim.

Is that right?? So only if I can confirm it with a link is it true? A bit short-sighted, don't you think?!
I've been following and reading everything Honda puts out for many, many years, I don't care in which language.
To please other Honda enthusiasts, I sometimes post it here on the forum.

The reason I ask is my understanding was manufacturers are not allowed to bring performance updates to the engines this year, they are only allowed to make changes for reliability reasons. Therefore, I was interested to understand how they could ship an engine update in those cargo boxes and use it without taking a penalty.

So this is where you go wrong. Where did I write that there was some of the PU in those cargo boxes? You make up/conclude that yourself.
It said that a car's setup had to be optimal for the PU to show its true potential. For this you need the right parts on the car.
A very important part was in one of those boxes.
I want to leave it at this. I've put too much unnecessary time into this already.

[Pany]

Wow just Wow, redbull pulled a trick when we all thought game over. I am sure they have made plan for race day as well. Once you plan to rob a bank you do plan your exit after getting hands on $$. Perez is in a strong position to hold lewis. First phase hunt him, overtake and let max build the gap then pit early and stay on hard and within lewis pit window. Tyre whisperer perez will be very important tomm. Hope red bull can execute till end. Its not over until its over.

Dont count too much un perez in the race, those two play on different level. Perez can only try to disturb lewis after pit, maybe. I Presume lewis will pass him in a second

[Pany]

Anyone knows race pace? I couldn't follow and I wonder if they will be good at race or not. Also I wonder why Verstappen didn't tow perez at second run? First row lock up would be better.

Good point, I had same option in mind. Anyway is good start point, even that for the race will be very difficoult to win, given pace rate that hamilton will have once on white tires, I presume. The big question is the redbull plan: tryng to make one stop with red tires making them last 14 laps? Or they plan 2 pitstops, one more of mercedes, driving fast and furious all the race without tire and fuel consumpion care? Could be reds, white yellow, or reds, yellow, reds again? What a hearth braking race will be

[west52keep64]

So this is where you go wrong. Where did I write that there was some of the PU in those cargo boxes? You make up/conclude that yourself.
It said that a car's setup had to be optimal for the PU to show its true potential. For this you need the right parts on the car.
A very important part was in one of those boxes.
I want to leave it at this. I've put too much unnecessary time into this already.

So which part was it? Also, if you've since had time find a link to the interview, posting it would be much appreciated. You did say you could easily find it, and posting it would surely put this all to bed.

Edit: Based on the downvotes, I guess I've outstayed my welcome in the Red Bull clubhouse. For what it's worth, I was really interested to read the article. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for the source of a such a claim, considering there was suggestion of some interesting new updates to the Red Bull, and this is a technical site after all. Enjoy the race everyone!

[Wouter]

So this is where you go wrong. Where did I write that there was some of the PU in those cargo boxes? You make up/conclude that yourself.
It said that a car's setup had to be optimal for the PU to show its true potential. For this you need the right parts on the car.
A very important part was in one of those boxes.
I want to leave it at this. I've put too much unnecessary time into this already.

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So which part was it?
Also, if you've since had time find a link to the interview, posting it would be much appreciated.

You did say you could easily find it, and posting it would surely put this all to bed.

viewtopic.php?f=15&t=29593&p=1018872#p1018872

I'd love to give you a link, but it's a lot of work to go back and read all these interviews, to see where he [Asaki] said what.

[etusch]

Anyone knows race pace? I couldn't follow and I wonder if they will be good at race or not. Also I wonder why Verstappen didn't tow perez at second run? First row lock up would be better.

Good point, I had same option in mind. Anyway is good start point, even that for the race will be very difficoult to win, given pace rate that hamilton will have once on white tires, I presume. The big question is the redbull plan: tryng to make one stop with red tires making them last 14 laps? Or they plan 2 pitstops, one more of mercedes, driving fast and furious all the race without tire and fuel consumpion care? Could be reds, white yellow, or reds, yellow, reds again? What a hearth braking race will be

Still I don't know pace of both but hope Redbull can do what they did in france

[hollus]

Guys, the rest did not come here to see a ping-pong personal spat. (from two posts above)

[TNTHead]

RB decided for a sensible strategy if you ask me. With different tyres the out of sync pit stops will give relief for many laps from wheel-to-wheel action with HAM. May in the end the'll see each other again...or not when the race pace of either of the two is distinguishable. Whatever the outcome, it will be an interesting race. Hopefully without too much created drama with SC or Red flags...

[Wouter]

[MtthsMlw]

In my humble opinion Rb always planned with going on Softs in Q2
- used them in longer runs on Friday
- why go for a second push lap if the first one was fast enough?
- why put Perez on them as well after Verstappen's lock up?

[PhillipM]

I would expect them to put Perez on them regardless just to try to get Hamilton on lap 1. Max I'm not certain they would have.

[ME4ME]

In my humble opinion Rb always planned with going on Softs in Q2
- used them in longer runs on Friday
- why go for a second push lap if the first one was fast enough?
- why put Perez on them as well after Verstappen's lock up?

Hm I don't think they did. No idea why they ran the Softs on friday, but regarding the other two points, Horner said they were concerned about track evolution with Max. And Sergio.. he didn't have the pace. He was 9th or 10th on the mediums and they had to put him on softs to secure a place in Q3.

Max lap was incredible. So credit to him.
It really didn't look like Red Bull had the pace until Q3.
So they might've over-achieved, which could mean everything will be back to normal tomorrow and Mercedes will have the upper hand.
What it also could mean, is that somehow the track rubbering in and the temperatures came to Red Bull. Possibly the extra grip on-track benefitted their low-df setup (or at least rear wing). Best case: that advantage continues right away tomorrow. Alternativly, if it was the temperature that helped RB it might help them at the end of the race (although the race is an hour earlier that Q was today).

Who knows .. maybe if they think that the Softs and the right temperature will give them an advantage of serveral tenths, as was the case in Q3, they could put Max on another set of Softs at the end. S-H-S strategy.

Whatever happens, it will be absolutely crucial that Max stays ahead at the start and can drive sufficiently fast long enough to create a pit-window. This is going to be hard, imo. As we saw in Q2, which in my opinion reflects this weekends relative performance the best, the gaps were tiny and many cars were competitive. I don't think its going to be easy for Max to put 25+ seconds on them, given that the Softs won't go very long. Bottas surely is Red Bulls biggest strategic headache.

[langedweil]

(although the race is an hour earlier that Q was today).

Dunno where you found that wisdom, but in my world the time it's exactly the same ..
You might wanna check that.