So a lost cause then
So a lost cause then
Could there be parts of this new nose used for 2022 or is too different all the way?Tvetovnato wrote: ↑15 Dec 2021, 13:25Are there any details or speculation of what the new nose would have looked like or what they would try to achieve with it?
I suspect with the way the front wing attaches to the side of the nose in 2022, probably requires a different aero concept and will likely mean the 2021 nose won't be reused.De Jokke wrote: ↑15 Dec 2021, 13:52Could there be parts of this new nose used for 2022 or is too different all the way?Tvetovnato wrote: ↑15 Dec 2021, 13:25Are there any details or speculation of what the new nose would have looked like or what they would try to achieve with it?
I thought the new car was a totally new concept so no token spend needed on car design?SuperCNJ wrote: ↑15 Dec 2021, 15:09I suspect with the way the front wing attaches to the side of the nose in 2022, probably requires a different aero concept and will likely mean the 2021 nose won't be reused.De Jokke wrote: ↑15 Dec 2021, 13:52Could there be parts of this new nose used for 2022 or is too different all the way?Tvetovnato wrote: ↑15 Dec 2021, 13:25
Are there any details or speculation of what the new nose would have looked like or what they would try to achieve with it?
That’s correct, there is no reason not to spend it on the W12 other than:bonjon1979 wrote: ↑15 Dec 2021, 15:43I thought the new car was a totally new concept so no token spend needed on car design?
From the interview it sounded more like 2), esp. the latter part, though that doesn't rule out 1) happening before that, ie. 3)Tom145145 wrote: ↑15 Dec 2021, 16:12That’s correct, there is no reason not to spend it on the W12 other than:bonjon1979 wrote: ↑15 Dec 2021, 15:43I thought the new car was a totally new concept so no token spend needed on car design?
1) They tried to but failed to get it on the car, ie new nose.
2) Didn’t need/want to and so saved the development cost.
3) Combination of 1) & 2) ie development dead-end so stopped spending.
4) Spent it but it was hidden.
These are my likely scenarios, my gut feeling is that it came down to budget and the fact the floor/rear brake duct losses were what they needed to spend the budget on. It may well have been used in a season without the budget cap.
unless theres a completely unheard of cleaver interpretation to the rules, the front wing mainplanes are essentially attached to the side of the nose. The rules call for early 90s pre high nose looking noses.SuperCNJ wrote: ↑15 Dec 2021, 15:09I suspect with the way the front wing attaches to the side of the nose in 2022, probably requires a different aero concept and will likely mean the 2021 nose won't be reused.De Jokke wrote: ↑15 Dec 2021, 13:52Could there be parts of this new nose used for 2022 or is too different all the way?Tvetovnato wrote: ↑15 Dec 2021, 13:25
Are there any details or speculation of what the new nose would have looked like or what they would try to achieve with it?
The way it looks in the rules, the front wing regulatory box intersects with the nose box, making the wing profile connect to the nose with a potential chamfer at the connection.cplchanb wrote: ↑15 Dec 2021, 19:22unless theres a completely unheard of cleaver interpretation to the rules, the front wing mainplanes are essentially attached to the side of the nose. The rules call for early 90s pre high nose looking noses.
This is from a previous version of the regulation, but I don't think they changed the wording around the nose since this was published in February.F1 2022 rulebook wrote: 3.11.4 Front Wing Bodywork to Nose
Once both the complete Front Wing Bodywork and the assembly referred to Article 3.11.2 are fully defined, the Front Wing Bodywork and the Nose must be trimmed to each other, such that no overlapping surfaces remain. A fillet radius, up to 25mm, may be applied along the periphery of where these surfaces intersect. Once all surfaces are trimmed and filleted, only Nose bodywork and fillet and no part of the Front Wing Bodywork may remain directly above RS-CH-NOSE.
because it's entirely mechanical and not banned in the rules. Most of the teams run something similar, although usually more linear than the Mercedes interpretation.
It is comparable to you lifting a heavy object at arm straight out at shoulder height or with arm hanging past your hip.