What you will read below are parts of a long conversation I had with the Mercedes Dude last Thursday. A lot of this I told on LIVE that we did on Thursday itself, but not all because there was no time...
- Dude, let's start at the beginning. What was the plan for Sunday's race with Hamilton starting at P2?
The plan was for him to make the first turn at P1 and for that we configured the UP via software with a map, releasing maximum power already at low speed for the man to use until halfway through the first lap. The problem was that he had to go very smooth on the accelerator, otherwise the car would slip at the start and he was even capable of losing several positions, instead of winning Max's. And he would also have to be careful on the first straight, because with this map would not have the maximum possible there, only on the straight after the chicane.
- Great, that explains why Max nearly hit the brakes between the two straights. But what if he hadn't managed to pass Max at the start?
Then the strategy would be completely different and would depend a lot on the moment Max's soft tires fell. We had a multitude of possibilities.
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Do you know who the quote is from? BTW did you notice in the pic, the cars are the wrong colour? Not sure if it is supposed to be this year thoughpursue_one's wrote: β19 Dec 2021, 23:35interesting
What you will read below are parts of a long conversation I had with the Mercedes Dude last Thursday. A lot of this I told on LIVE that we did on Thursday itself, but not all because there was no time...
- Dude, let's start at the beginning. What was the plan for Sunday's race with Hamilton starting at P2?
The plan was for him to make the first turn at P1 and for that we configured the UP via software with a map, releasing maximum power already at low speed for the man to use until halfway through the first lap. The problem was that he had to go very smooth on the accelerator, otherwise the car would slip at the start and he was even capable of losing several positions, instead of winning Max's. And he would also have to be careful on the first straight, because with this map would not have the maximum possible there, only on the straight after the chicane.
- Great, that explains why Max nearly hit the brakes between the two straights. But what if he hadn't managed to pass Max at the start?
Then the strategy would be completely different and would depend a lot on the moment Max's soft tires fell. We had a multitude of possibilities.
https://www.autoracing.com.br/exclusivo ... do-de-nos/
Translation by DeepL
And they're all holding up an open hand suggesting a fifth title. So 2018?Big Tea wrote: β20 Dec 2021, 00:14Do you know who the quote is from? BTW did you notice in the pic, the cars are the wrong colour? Not sure if it is supposed to be this year thoughpursue_one's wrote: β19 Dec 2021, 23:35interesting
What you will read below are parts of a long conversation I had with the Mercedes Dude last Thursday. A lot of this I told on LIVE that we did on Thursday itself, but not all because there was no time...
- Dude, let's start at the beginning. What was the plan for Sunday's race with Hamilton starting at P2?
The plan was for him to make the first turn at P1 and for that we configured the UP via software with a map, releasing maximum power already at low speed for the man to use until halfway through the first lap. The problem was that he had to go very smooth on the accelerator, otherwise the car would slip at the start and he was even capable of losing several positions, instead of winning Max's. And he would also have to be careful on the first straight, because with this map would not have the maximum possible there, only on the straight after the chicane.
- Great, that explains why Max nearly hit the brakes between the two straights. But what if he hadn't managed to pass Max at the start?
Then the strategy would be completely different and would depend a lot on the moment Max's soft tires fell. We had a multitude of possibilities.
https://www.autoracing.com.br/exclusivo ... do-de-nos/
Translation by DeepL
Dude is a guy who works for Mercedes F1 Team. He started as a mechanic at McLaren in 2005 coming from British F3. He worked directly on Juan Pablo Montoya's car, then Fernando Alonso's, Heikki Kovalainen's and finally Lewis Hamilton's.Big Tea wrote: β20 Dec 2021, 00:14Do you know who the quote is from? BTW did you notice in the pic, the cars are the wrong colour? Not sure if it is supposed to be this year thoughpursue_one's wrote: β19 Dec 2021, 23:35interesting
What you will read below are parts of a long conversation I had with the Mercedes Dude last Thursday. A lot of this I told on LIVE that we did on Thursday itself, but not all because there was no time...
- Dude, let's start at the beginning. What was the plan for Sunday's race with Hamilton starting at P2?
The plan was for him to make the first turn at P1 and for that we configured the UP via software with a map, releasing maximum power already at low speed for the man to use until halfway through the first lap. The problem was that he had to go very smooth on the accelerator, otherwise the car would slip at the start and he was even capable of losing several positions, instead of winning Max's. And he would also have to be careful on the first straight, because with this map would not have the maximum possible there, only on the straight after the chicane.
- Great, that explains why Max nearly hit the brakes between the two straights. But what if he hadn't managed to pass Max at the start?
Then the strategy would be completely different and would depend a lot on the moment Max's soft tires fell. We had a multitude of possibilities.
https://www.autoracing.com.br/exclusivo ... do-de-nos/
Translation by DeepL
I think he was joking.ringo wrote: β18 Dec 2021, 16:51I think people didnt realize you were saying this is an example and downvoted you. hahafritticaldi wrote: β18 Dec 2021, 05:42Here is an example : FIA can penalize Mercedes by not allowing them to score points for the first two races in 2022 as punishment for not attending the prize ceremony. What Wolff and Hamilton did was selfish, arrogant and unsportsmanlike. Mercedes , Wolff and Hamilton need to learn how to lose. They had it good for so many years and must realize that their dominance was going to end at some point. The new FIA president will make his entry and presence felt right away. Unforgiving is the key word. So what if Hamilton quits? Nyck de Vries is more than capable as a substitute.
However if this is the case then it is worth leaving as it would be pure politics and no longer sport.
Hamilton should just then drive to an 8th title and then leave, then go start his own racing series.
Or he can go win lemans then indy.
Elliot then said that it was a general loss of downforce and not a specific balance problem, which Mercedes feared during the first test. "I think with a dominant car, like we had before, the balance for the drivers didn't really matter," said Elliot. "That's why I think it wasn't really a balance problem, but more of an overall aerodynamic loss. However, it's impossible to say if it hit us as hard as the other teams. We don't know what the impact was on other cars. After we finished our work in the winter and the car went onto the track during the tests, we discovered that the lead [of 2020] had disappeared."
That is a gross mis-representation/mis-interpretation of what Elliot said. 'Not knowing who would be hit hard', is quite different from wondering "if it hit other people as hard as it hit them" in the aftermath. It is telling that you conveniently missed out the following in your narative:Ryar wrote: β21 Dec 2021, 12:20https://nl.motorsport.com/f1/news/onthu ... 1/6943715/
There was one point that was debated hard during the year was, the aero changes were "targeted" towards Mercedes and it was "known" that the changes would hit Mercedes.
Elliot then said that it was a general loss of downforce and not a specific balance problem, which Mercedes feared during the first test. "I think with a dominant car, like we had before, the balance for the drivers didn't really matter," said Elliot. "That's why I think it wasn't really a balance problem, but more of an overall aerodynamic loss. However, it's impossible to say if it hit us as hard as the other teams. We don't know what the impact was on other cars. After we finished our work in the winter and the car went onto the track during the tests, we discovered that the lead [of 2020] had disappeared."
Elliott essentially says, they didn't know who would be hit hard. That clears the first point that people debated, that "it was known" that it would hit the low rake cars. Mercedes technical director says, they didn't know who would be hit hard. As Mercedes proved thorugh the season, once they started developing the car in the right direction, the car was moving forward in performance, which shows, it wasn't as much the "low rake cars were hit hard".
It's probably safe to assume, Mercedes either started development work of W12 in different a direction while the full scale of changes for 2021 were not yet published and then had to abort it to move in a different direction. The other aspect probably was, they would have thought they had enough in hand from the W11 car and were confident of W12 carrying over a lot of that, which proved otherwise in testing. As the season showed, they could develop the W12 to overcome the deficit they had in the beginning, which shows, it wasn't so much "low rake" cars were affected. In the hindsight, if Mercedes would have got their decision making right in terms of developing directions for the car, W12 would probably have been every bit as dominant as W11 was.
I dont see how you made up all of what you said from what Elliot said. He literally says fhey lost a lot of downforce on their car from the rules. He is not focusing on what others are doing so he cannot know how they will be impacted. The FIA has their technical team that can simulate changes with the data from all teams. They are able to know who gets hit by the rules more and it was the low rake cars mercedes powered cars.Ryar wrote: β21 Dec 2021, 12:20https://nl.motorsport.com/f1/news/onthu ... 1/6943715/
There was one point that was debated hard during the year was, the aero changes were "targeted" towards Mercedes and it was "known" that the changes would hit Mercedes.
Elliot then said that it was a general loss of downforce and not a specific balance problem, which Mercedes feared during the first test. "I think with a dominant car, like we had before, the balance for the drivers didn't really matter," said Elliot. "That's why I think it wasn't really a balance problem, but more of an overall aerodynamic loss. However, it's impossible to say if it hit us as hard as the other teams. We don't know what the impact was on other cars. After we finished our work in the winter and the car went onto the track during the tests, we discovered that the lead [of 2020] had disappeared."
Elliott essentially says, they didn't know who would be hit hard. That clears the first point that people debated, that "it was known" that it would hit the low rake cars. Mercedes technical director says, they didn't know who would be hit hard. As Mercedes proved thorugh the season, once they started developing the car in the right direction, the car was moving forward in performance, which shows, it wasn't as much the "low rake cars were hit hard".
It's probably safe to assume, Mercedes either started development work of W12 in different a direction while the full scale of changes for 2021 were not yet published and then had to abort it to move in a different direction. The other aspect probably was, they would have thought they had enough in hand from the W11 car and were confident of W12 carrying over a lot of that, which proved otherwise in testing. As the season showed, they could develop the W12 to overcome the deficit they had in the beginning, which shows, it wasn't so much "low rake" cars were affected. In the hindsight, if Mercedes would have got their decision making right in terms of developing directions for the car, W12 would probably have been every bit as dominant as W11 was.
If "made up" is a opinion that an individual forms on the basis of available information, then that's what we all do here. Who are "they" you referriing to? Elliot says, they didn't who was hit hard. Atleast Elliott didn't seem to know if "low rake cars were hit by the rules more". If FIA can simulate, as you say, with their limited resources, I can't imagine a team like Mercedes, with their vast resources wouldn't have calculated it.ringo wrote: β21 Dec 2021, 14:35I dont see how you made up all of what you said from what Elliot said. He literally says fhey lost a lot of downforce on their car from the rules. He is not focusing on what others are doing so he cannot know how they will be impacted. The FIA has their technical team that can simulate changes with the data from all teams. They are able to know who gets hit by the rules more and it was the low rake cars mercedes powered cars.
This is the point. Who exactly knew this? Doesn't seem like Elliott. Every team knew they would be hurt, but there was no clarity on who was hit more, as Elliott says. then I wonder, how you say that "it would hurt Mercedes more"?
Re-read the entire article, understand it in its entirety (rather than who might or might not have known what, when, or why, by inference) then I 'll be more than happy to discuss further with you.
I did. But my question still remains the same.mcdenife wrote: β21 Dec 2021, 15:31Re-read the entire article, understand it in its entirety (rather than who might or might not have known what, when, or why, by inference) then I 'll be more than happy to discuss further with you.