Scuderia Ferrari F1-75 speculation thread

[henry]

Sorry, I’ve dragged this off topic. I’ll respond briefly to @Ryars examples out of politeness.

In both examples the energy reduction is about 20%. To do this with weight you need to lose 25% of the car mass. Remember the overall car mass includes driver and fuel which are fixed.

[Just_a_fan]

How much speed can be reduced? What would be the difference in impact for a car crashing, that is travelling at 350+ kph and loses it on a monza straight Vs one that is going at 310 kph? To achieve a reduction of 40 kph, we are talking about shedding loads of BHPs. But how much would that contribute to reduction in impact?

Reducing the speed from 350km/h to 310km/h reduces the kinetic energy of the car - the energy the crash structures/barriers have to deal with - by c.22%.

[Ryar]

Sorry, I’ve dragged this off topic. I’ll respond briefly to @Ryars examples out of politeness.

In both examples the energy reduction is about 20%. To do this with weight you need to lose 25% of the car mass. Remember the overall car mass includes driver and fuel which are fixed.

Thanks henry.

How much speed can be reduced? What would be the difference in impact for a car crashing, that is travelling at 350+ kph and loses it on a monza straight Vs one that is going at 310 kph? To achieve a reduction of 40 kph, we are talking about shedding loads of BHPs. But how much would that contribute to reduction in impact?

Reducing the speed from 350km/h to 310km/h reduces the kinetic energy of the car - the energy the crash structures/barriers have to deal with - by c.22%.

I did the calculation and it's less than 20%. If the cars are reduced to 2013 levels of weight (reduce 150 kgs), that would result in similar reduction in impact. But then the cars would go even faster with the reduced weight @ current power levels. So on a balance, the cars can be reduced to 700 kgs (reduce 90 kgs) and think of decreasing some power. This is something they can target for 2026 with the removal of MGU-H (and not increasing electrical boost as planned). That would make cars similarly fast to what they are now, lesser crash impact and more agile. Win win. Sorry for being offtopic. I would stop here.

[wogx]

[LM10]

https://www.wykop.pl/cdn/c3201142/comme ... tELrcW.jpg

What's that?

[timbo]

https://www.wykop.pl/cdn/c3201142/comme ... tELrcW.jpg

What's that?

https://thejudge13.com/2022/01/17/some- ... ri-f1-car/

[bosyber]

https://www.wykop.pl/cdn/c3201142/comme ... tELrcW.jpg

What's that?

https://thejudge13.com/2022/01/17/some- ... ri-f1-car/

So thiose are pictures (renderings?) of what a industrial designer thinks the 2022 cars, here the Ferrari, should look like; so that's sort of the level I'd expect from that site, but not really much of an indication of accuracy, then. Cool pics though (it seems to me this is really a bit too retro to the 200x ferrari's (and the nose has pylons, which I think the regulations don't allow?)

[Just_a_fan]

Sorry, I’ve dragged this off topic. I’ll respond briefly to @Ryars examples out of politeness.

In both examples the energy reduction is about 20%. To do this with weight you need to lose 25% of the car mass. Remember the overall car mass includes driver and fuel which are fixed.

Thanks henry.

How much speed can be reduced? What would be the difference in impact for a car crashing, that is travelling at 350+ kph and loses it on a monza straight Vs one that is going at 310 kph? To achieve a reduction of 40 kph, we are talking about shedding loads of BHPs. But how much would that contribute to reduction in impact?

Reducing the speed from 350km/h to 310km/h reduces the kinetic energy of the car - the energy the crash structures/barriers have to deal with - by c.22%.

I did the calculation and it's less than 20%.

0.5mV^2 says otherwise. But this is off topic.

[f1316]

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-fe ... 4/7708329/

Nothing huge but:
- return to triangular air box
- likely links to a change in radiator layout (linked also to the position of the Venturi tunnels)
- apparently a darker shade of red will be used for the livery

[BlueCheetah66]

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-fe ... 4/7708329/

Nothing huge but:
- return to triangular air box
- likely links to a change in radiator layout (linked also to the position of the Venturi tunnels)
- apparently a darker shade of red will be used for the livery

How reliable is Motorsport Italy. I've seen them have a lot of reports on 2022 cars

[Henri]

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-fe ... 4/7708329/

Nothing huge but:
- return to triangular air box
- likely links to a change in radiator layout (linked also to the position of the Venturi tunnels)
- apparently a darker shade of red will be used for the livery

Does nugnes have sources inside ferrari? .. i know he does at merc though

[Stu]

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-fe ... 4/7708329/

Nothing huge but:
- return to triangular air box
- likely links to a change in radiator layout (linked also to the position of the Venturi tunnels)
- apparently a darker shade of red will be used for the livery

Does nugnes have sources inside ferrari? .. i know he does at merc though

He is notoriously unreliable. Ferrari were supposed to be using a split turbo last year if you go back and read his reports quoting ‘sources within the Ferrari team’.

[f1316]

Yeah, I mean, take it all with a pinch of salt, I say - I file it under another form of speculation tbh.

[Blackout]

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-fe ... 4/7708329/

Nothing huge but:
- return to triangular air box
- likely links to a change in radiator layout (linked also to the position of the Venturi tunnels)
- apparently a darker shade of red will be used for the livery

Does nugnes have sources inside ferrari? .. i know he does at merc though

Schmidt/AMuS has sources at Merc and other teams. Nugnes has nothing.

[bosyber]

Autosport (yeah, same group as motorsport but even so) are also reporting the same about the triangular nosebox returning etc. so at least they think it is reliable enough to use at this stage.

Since it doesn't really say all that much beyond that, I suppose it's something that's easily checked and not saying all that much, seeing how the bits about relocation of cooling are all speculation based on that airbox and the new rules making the 'high' inlets they've used over the past few years almost impossible, so more or less something anyone here would think, right?