Red Bull RB18 Speculation Thread

[godlameroso]

So you think that the teams have absolutely no idea how their car will perform on track until the first test? Or do you just mean we onlookers in internet-land?

The teams have an idea because they're so involved in the design process, and simulation etc. They know what they have, but they have no idea how it will actually perform on track, certainly not against the others. We onlookers know substantially less, and have no data to make any inferences, at least until Bahrain.

And we're not going to have any real data that matters, other than lap times.

Says you.

[Just_a_fan]

Technically new rules, we are all amateurs until the cars run on track and we see what actually works and what doesn't. You can't just feed data to your AI, garbage in, garbage out. You need some real world data to start the optimization process.

So you think that the teams have absolutely no idea how their car will perform on track until the first test? Or do you just mean we onlookers in internet-land?

Many a teams car has not behaved as expected once on track, and they had previous data to go by. I certainly expect some nasty surprises in a few weeks for at least 1 team, if not more, and that could be any team quite frankly

I think sometimes a team thinks - this performance projection is great, we're going to right up there - and then gets on track and finds that others have found much better performance. At that point "correlation" is a great excuse rather than "we messed up and thought we'd done a great job when we hadn't".

I seem to remember back when the 2009 regs came in, McLaren were nowhere. They had a front wing with no outwash, etc., etc.. It was suggested by some in the know, that they hadn't realised what the inwash front wing was doing for them - I find it hard to believe but stranger things have happened - so they didn't consider outwash until they saw others using it. Much was made about the double diffuser, but it was the outwash front wing that really helped Brawn in early 2009. Even Red Bull had very little outwash in their front wing. Compare the RB5 midseason to the BGP01 in testing




The RedBull's front wing is hardly working the endplate at all. The Brawn's was all about the endplate. Brawn himself even said at the time "they're all looking at the wrong end of the car" when the double diffuser was being challenged.

Yes, others put on the double diffuser and found performance, but the front wing was what really gave Brawn the early season head start.

[Just_a_fan]

The teams have an idea because they're so involved in the design process, and simulation etc. They know what they have, but they have no idea how it will actually perform on track, certainly not against the others. We onlookers know substantially less, and have no data to make any inferences, at least until Bahrain.

And we're not going to have any real data that matters, other than lap times.

Says you.

What data will you have? Downforce figures? Drag figures?

[Just_a_fan]

Technically new rules, we are all amateurs until the cars run on track and we see what actually works and what doesn't. You can't just feed data to your AI, garbage in, garbage out. You need some real world data to start the optimization process.

So you think that the teams have absolutely no idea how their car will perform on track until the first test? Or do you just mean we onlookers in internet-land?

The teams have an idea because they're so involved in the design process, and simulation etc. They know what they have, but they have no idea how it will actually perform on track, certainly not against the others. We onlookers know substantially less, and have no data to make any inferences, at least until Bahrain.

That's the key bit - how it will compare. They know what their design will do, more or less, but they don't know if others have done even better.

[godlameroso]

And we're not going to have any real data that matters, other than lap times.

Says you.

What data will you have? Downforce figures? Drag figures?

Not directly.

[Hoffman900]

Says you.

What data will you have? Downforce figures? Drag figures?

Not directly.

Sorry, godlameroso, but you haven't posted anything to give an inclination that you have more than half an idea. Don't you have an LMP1 car to sample at Sebring or something?

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/simulati ... vid-penner has done far more advanced work than any data you have and it's still wrong, he tells you why.

[jacques96]

RB 18 leaked?
https://ibb.co/JzZ00R0

looks like the fia model to me

[AbbaleRacing77]

So you think that the teams have absolutely no idea how their car will perform on track until the first test? Or do you just mean we onlookers in internet-land?

Many a teams car has not behaved as expected once on track, and they had previous data to go by. I certainly expect some nasty surprises in a few weeks for at least 1 team, if not more, and that could be any team quite frankly

I think sometimes a team thinks - this performance projection is great, we're going to right up there - and then gets on track and finds that others have found much better performance. At that point "correlation" is a great excuse rather than "we messed up and thought we'd done a great job when we hadn't".

I seem to remember back when the 2009 regs came in, McLaren were nowhere. They had a front wing with no outwash, etc., etc.. It was suggested by some in the know, that they hadn't realised what the inwash front wing was doing for them - I find it hard to believe but stranger things have happened - so they didn't consider outwash until they saw others using it. Much was made about the double diffuser, but it was the outwash front wing that really helped Brawn in early 2009. Even Red Bull had very little outwash in their front wing. Compare the RB5 midseason to the BGP01 in testing
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... Turkey.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... esting.jpg

The RedBull's front wing is hardly working the endplate at all. The Brawn's was all about the endplate. Brawn himself even said at the time "they're all looking at the wrong end of the car" when the double diffuser was being challenged.

Yes, others put on the double diffuser and found performance, but the front wing was what really gave Brawn the early season head start.

Great analysis. I think the RB had the best fundamentals with the high nose but the Brawn hit the ground running with a very refined car.

[jumpingfish]

Some leaks

[jjn9128]

The first of the FOM model livery reveals we expected from all teams but were pleasantly surprised by Haas not showing

[Hoffman900]

Some leaks
https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/1491439623565979648

It's both not what I was expecting (ie: it's not close to what the real car will be) and what I was expecting for a livery showoff.

I expect the FOM car or very close to it for all teams.

[godlameroso]

Shame Honda is nowhere on the car

[MtthsMlw]

So what was the point of this launch?

[Hoffman900]

So what was the point of this launch?

Placating sponsors and rabid fans. Social media buzz = sponsor attention = money

[Stu]

Shame Honda is nowhere on the car

Isn’t that an HRC logo near the rear suspension?