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Speaking exclusively to PlanetF1, Andretti said: “I would have done exactly the same thing. It’s as simple as that."
“Okay, there’s been a lot of talk that the race should have been red-flagged. Well, you know what? This accident happened with six laps to go. Under normal circumstances, the track should have been cleared in two laps easily, and then you allow the backmarkers to unlap themselves. But unfortunately, in Formula 1 you have to depend on locals to do the safety work and they were very slow in cleaning up the situation.”
He added: “This is one time when I really think Michael Masi did the right decision to just allow the lapped cars to unlap themselves that were in front of the top five competitors and then to make sure the race was finished under the green, because this was the most anticipated race of the season from a beautiful season and for that race to end behind the Safety Car would have been a tragedy in my opinion, and this way created the excitement. It was racing and it was fair.
“You can never predict what will happen during a race. Nobody knew Latifi was going to crash, it’s that simple and so you have to be ready for those eventualities and sometimes you act properly, sometimes you wish you had done things differently. But that’s nothing different to what has happened in the sport before, you know – you can debate this until the cows come home.”
“It’s fair, Max Verstappen earned what he got!” Andretti continued. “Where Max did the overtake on the last lap, Lewis left the door right open. I think he could have protected that, but he underestimated how close Max was, quite honestly, in his mirrors, so Lewis can’t complain and everything happened the right way, in my opinion, considering the circumstances.”
When asked by PlanetF1 whether communication between the teams and the race director should be banned and if there should be a permanent race steward, Andretti said: “Well, no question about that. I think we’ve seen this during the season when Michael Masi was negotiating the penalty with the team, which is kind of ridiculous quite honestly, so I think some of those things need to be changed. Everybody knows that, no question.
“The race steward has the authority to react under certain circumstances. You know, the rules can’t cover every situation and that has to be respected. Under Charlie Whiting, it would never have been a question, he was doing everything correctly with good sense and judgement and not negotiating with the teams. If he saw there was a penalty coming on, there was going to be a penalty and you’d better suck it up.”
hmm, if you read the second paragraph, it looks like Andretti didn't watch the race?Wouter wrote: ↑10 Feb 2022, 16:40http://www.f1reader.com/news/exclusive- ... asi-301978
It is nice to read what Andretti thinks of what happend in AD. Thanks to @McLaren111.
Speaking exclusively to PlanetF1, Andretti said: “I would have done exactly the same thing. It’s as simple as that."
“Okay, there’s been a lot of talk that the race should have been red-flagged. Well, you know what? This accident happened with six laps to go. Under normal circumstances, the track should have been cleared in two laps easily, and then you allow the backmarkers to unlap themselves. But unfortunately, in Formula 1 you have to depend on locals to do the safety work and they were very slow in cleaning up the situation.”
He added: “This is one time when I really think Michael Masi did the right decision to just allow the lapped cars to unlap themselves that were in front of the top five competitors and then to make sure the race was finished under the green, because this was the most anticipated race of the season from a beautiful season and for that race to end behind the Safety Car would have been a tragedy in my opinion, and this way created the excitement. It was racing and it was fair.
“You can never predict what will happen during a race. Nobody knew Latifi was going to crash, it’s that simple and so you have to be ready for those eventualities and sometimes you act properly, sometimes you wish you had done things differently. But that’s nothing different to what has happened in the sport before, you know – you can debate this until the cows come home.”
“It’s fair, Max Verstappen earned what he got!” Andretti continued. “Where Max did the overtake on the last lap, Lewis left the door right open. I think he could have protected that, but he underestimated how close Max was, quite honestly, in his mirrors, so Lewis can’t complain and everything happened the right way, in my opinion, considering the circumstances.”
When asked by PlanetF1 whether communication between the teams and the race director should be banned and if there should be a permanent race steward, Andretti said: “Well, no question about that. I think we’ve seen this during the season when Michael Masi was negotiating the penalty with the team, which is kind of ridiculous quite honestly, so I think some of those things need to be changed. Everybody knows that, no question.
“The race steward has the authority to react under certain circumstances. You know, the rules can’t cover every situation and that has to be respected. Under Charlie Whiting, it would never have been a question, he was doing everything correctly with good sense and judgement and not negotiating with the teams. If he saw there was a penalty coming on, there was going to be a penalty and you’d better suck it up.”
Haha, yes, thanks for finding it and being pedanticJolle wrote: ↑10 Feb 2022, 23:42hmm, if you read the second paragraph, it looks like Andretti didn't watch the race?Wouter wrote: ↑10 Feb 2022, 16:40http://www.f1reader.com/news/exclusive- ... asi-301978
It is nice to read what Andretti thinks of what happend in AD. Thanks to @McLaren111.
Speaking exclusively to PlanetF1, Andretti said: “I would have done exactly the same thing. It’s as simple as that."
“Okay, there’s been a lot of talk that the race should have been red-flagged. Well, you know what? This accident happened with six laps to go. Under normal circumstances, the track should have been cleared in two laps easily, and then you allow the backmarkers to unlap themselves. But unfortunately, in Formula 1 you have to depend on locals to do the safety work and they were very slow in cleaning up the situation.”
He added: “This is one time when I really think Michael Masi did the right decision to just allow the lapped cars to unlap themselves that were in front of the top five competitors and then to make sure the race was finished under the green, because this was the most anticipated race of the season from a beautiful season and for that race to end behind the Safety Car would have been a tragedy in my opinion, and this way created the excitement. It was racing and it was fair.
“You can never predict what will happen during a race. Nobody knew Latifi was going to crash, it’s that simple and so you have to be ready for those eventualities and sometimes you act properly, sometimes you wish you had done things differently. But that’s nothing different to what has happened in the sport before, you know – you can debate this until the cows come home.”
“It’s fair, Max Verstappen earned what he got!” Andretti continued. “Where Max did the overtake on the last lap, Lewis left the door right open. I think he could have protected that, but he underestimated how close Max was, quite honestly, in his mirrors, so Lewis can’t complain and everything happened the right way, in my opinion, considering the circumstances.”
When asked by PlanetF1 whether communication between the teams and the race director should be banned and if there should be a permanent race steward, Andretti said: “Well, no question about that. I think we’ve seen this during the season when Michael Masi was negotiating the penalty with the team, which is kind of ridiculous quite honestly, so I think some of those things need to be changed. Everybody knows that, no question.
“The race steward has the authority to react under certain circumstances. You know, the rules can’t cover every situation and that has to be respected. Under Charlie Whiting, it would never have been a question, he was doing everything correctly with good sense and judgement and not negotiating with the teams. If he saw there was a penalty coming on, there was going to be a penalty and you’d better suck it up.”
He added: “This is one time when I really think Michael Masi did the right decision to just allow the lapped cars to unlap themselves that were in front of the top five competitors and then to make sure the race was finished under the green, because this was the most anticipated race of the season from a beautiful season and for that race to end behind the Safety Car would have been a tragedy in my opinion, and this way created the excitement. It was racing and it was fair.
If Masi did like Andretti suggests here, there wouldn't be a problem. But that's not what he did. He only let the drivers in front of Verstappen unlap. And that is the core of the problem with this decision.
It's also worth remembering that he was less than polite about Hamilton's role <mod edit: recently>. It's possible he'd have had a different view if the outcome of the race had been the other way round.Jolle wrote: ↑10 Feb 2022, 23:42hmm, if you read the second paragraph, it looks like Andretti didn't watch the race?Wouter wrote: ↑10 Feb 2022, 16:40http://www.f1reader.com/news/exclusive- ... asi-301978
It is nice to read what Andretti thinks of what happend in AD. Thanks to @McLaren111.
Speaking exclusively to PlanetF1, Andretti said: “I would have done exactly the same thing. It’s as simple as that."
“Okay, there’s been a lot of talk that the race should have been red-flagged. Well, you know what? This accident happened with six laps to go. Under normal circumstances, the track should have been cleared in two laps easily, and then you allow the backmarkers to unlap themselves. But unfortunately, in Formula 1 you have to depend on locals to do the safety work and they were very slow in cleaning up the situation.”
He added: “This is one time when I really think Michael Masi did the right decision to just allow the lapped cars to unlap themselves that were in front of the top five competitors and then to make sure the race was finished under the green, because this was the most anticipated race of the season from a beautiful season and for that race to end behind the Safety Car would have been a tragedy in my opinion, and this way created the excitement. It was racing and it was fair.
“You can never predict what will happen during a race. Nobody knew Latifi was going to crash, it’s that simple and so you have to be ready for those eventualities and sometimes you act properly, sometimes you wish you had done things differently. But that’s nothing different to what has happened in the sport before, you know – you can debate this until the cows come home.”
“It’s fair, Max Verstappen earned what he got!” Andretti continued. “Where Max did the overtake on the last lap, Lewis left the door right open. I think he could have protected that, but he underestimated how close Max was, quite honestly, in his mirrors, so Lewis can’t complain and everything happened the right way, in my opinion, considering the circumstances.”
When asked by PlanetF1 whether communication between the teams and the race director should be banned and if there should be a permanent race steward, Andretti said: “Well, no question about that. I think we’ve seen this during the season when Michael Masi was negotiating the penalty with the team, which is kind of ridiculous quite honestly, so I think some of those things need to be changed. Everybody knows that, no question.
“The race steward has the authority to react under certain circumstances. You know, the rules can’t cover every situation and that has to be respected. Under Charlie Whiting, it would never have been a question, he was doing everything correctly with good sense and judgement and not negotiating with the teams. If he saw there was a penalty coming on, there was going to be a penalty and you’d better suck it up.”
He added: “This is one time when I really think Michael Masi did the right decision to just allow the lapped cars to unlap themselves that were in front of the top five competitors and then to make sure the race was finished under the green, because this was the most anticipated race of the season from a beautiful season and for that race to end behind the Safety Car would have been a tragedy in my opinion, and this way created the excitement. It was racing and it was fair.
If Masi did like Andretti suggests here, there wouldn't be a problem. But that's not what he did. He only let the drivers in front of Verstappen unlap. And that is the core of the problem with this decision.
Mario Andretti is a big Max supporterever since Max entered F1. Not surprising the many times he has sided with Max so this says nothing really.Wouter wrote: ↑10 Feb 2022, 16:40http://www.f1reader.com/news/exclusive- ... asi-301978
It is nice to read what Andretti thinks of what happend in AD. Thanks to @McLaren111.
Speaking exclusively to PlanetF1, Andretti said: “I would have done exactly the same thing. It’s as simple as that."
“Okay, there’s been a lot of talk that the race should have been red-flagged. Well, you know what? This accident happened with six laps to go. Under normal circumstances, the track should have been cleared in two laps easily, and then you allow the backmarkers to unlap themselves. But unfortunately, in Formula 1 you have to depend on locals to do the safety work and they were very slow in cleaning up the situation.”
He added: “This is one time when I really think Michael Masi did the right decision to just allow the lapped cars to unlap themselves that were in front of the top five competitors and then to make sure the race was finished under the green, because this was the most anticipated race of the season from a beautiful season and for that race to end behind the Safety Car would have been a tragedy in my opinion, and this way created the excitement. It was racing and it was fair.
“You can never predict what will happen during a race. Nobody knew Latifi was going to crash, it’s that simple and so you have to be ready for those eventualities and sometimes you act properly, sometimes you wish you had done things differently. But that’s nothing different to what has happened in the sport before, you know – you can debate this until the cows come home.”
“It’s fair, Max Verstappen earned what he got!” Andretti continued. “Where Max did the overtake on the last lap, Lewis left the door right open. I think he could have protected that, but he underestimated how close Max was, quite honestly, in his mirrors, so Lewis can’t complain and everything happened the right way, in my opinion, considering the circumstances.”
When asked by PlanetF1 whether communication between the teams and the race director should be banned and if there should be a permanent race steward, Andretti said: “Well, no question about that. I think we’ve seen this during the season when Michael Masi was negotiating the penalty with the team, which is kind of ridiculous quite honestly, so I think some of those things need to be changed. Everybody knows that, no question.
“The race steward has the authority to react under certain circumstances. You know, the rules can’t cover every situation and that has to be respected. Under Charlie Whiting, it would never have been a question, he was doing everything correctly with good sense and judgement and not negotiating with the teams. If he saw there was a penalty coming on, there was going to be a penalty and you’d better suck it up.”
PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑11 Feb 2022, 20:42.Wouter wrote: ↑10 Feb 2022, 16:40http://www.f1reader.com/news/exclusive- ... asi-301978
It is nice to read what Andretti thinks of what happend in AD. Thanks to @McLaren111.
Speaking exclusively to PlanetF1, Andretti said: “I would have done exactly the same thing. It’s as simple as that."
“Okay, there’s been a lot of talk that the race should have been red-flagged. Well, you know what? This accident happened with six laps to go. Under normal circumstances, the track should have been cleared in two laps easily, and then you allow the backmarkers to unlap themselves. But unfortunately, in Formula 1 you have to depend on locals to do the safety work and they were very slow in cleaning up the situation.”
He added: “This is one time when I really think Michael Masi did the right decision to just allow the lapped cars to unlap themselves that were in front of the top five competitors and then to make sure the race was finished under the green, because this was the most anticipated race of the season from a beautiful season and for that race to end behind the Safety Car would have been a tragedy in my opinion, and this way created the excitement. It was racing and it was fair.
“You can never predict what will happen during a race. Nobody knew Latifi was going to crash, it’s that simple and so you have to be ready for those eventualities and sometimes you act properly, sometimes you wish you had done things differently. But that’s nothing different to what has happened in the sport before, you know – you can debate this until the cows come home.”
“It’s fair, Max Verstappen earned what he got!” Andretti continued. “Where Max did the overtake on the last lap, Lewis left the door right open. I think he could have protected that, but he underestimated how close Max was, quite honestly, in his mirrors, so Lewis can’t complain and everything happened the right way, in my opinion, considering the circumstances.”
When asked by PlanetF1 whether communication between the teams and the race director should be banned and if there should be a permanent race steward, Andretti said: “Well, no question about that. I think we’ve seen this during the season when Michael Masi was negotiating the penalty with the team, which is kind of ridiculous quite honestly, so I think some of those things need to be changed. Everybody knows that, no question.
“The race steward has the authority to react under certain circumstances. You know, the rules can’t cover every situation and that has to be respected. Under Charlie Whiting, it would never have been a question, he was doing everything correctly with good sense and judgement and not negotiating with the teams. If he saw there was a penalty coming on, there was going to be a penalty and you’d better suck it up.”
Mario Andretti is a big Max supporterever since Max entered F1.
How dares he! He really is the only one!
Not surprising the many times he has sided with Max so this says nothing really.
Of course this means nothing! What does Andretti know about racing and racing talents?!
Absolutely nothing at all, right?
https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/50630 ... -champion/
Ofcourse he is, people are using this controversy to show their personal views, rather than being objective like many other f1 experts.PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑11 Feb 2022, 20:42
Mario Andretti is a big Max supporterever since Max entered F1. Not surprising the many times he has sided with Max so this says nothing really.
https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/50630 ... -champion/
The only folks advocating that Masi did anything especially wrong are Lewis supporters as far as I can tell. Others are really not too fussed at all about a minor procedural anomaly, the overtake for the race win did happen on the track after all -- "we went motor racing, it is called a car race" to quote the Race Director.PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑11 Feb 2022, 20:42Mario Andretti is a big Max supporterever since Max entered F1. Not surprising the many times he has sided with Max so this says nothing really.
If so Lewis has the highest number of followers any driver in the history of f1JordanMugen wrote: ↑13 Feb 2022, 07:03The only folks advocating that Masi did anything especially wrong are Lewis supporters as far as I can tell. Others are really not too fussed at all about a minor procedural anomaly, the overtake for the race win did happen on the track after all --PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑11 Feb 2022, 20:42Mario Andretti is a big Max supporterever since Max entered F1. Not surprising the many times he has sided with Max so this says nothing really.
Oh, a correction, you mean to quote the race director's pupet masters!!JordanMugen wrote: ↑13 Feb 2022, 07:03
"we went motor racing, it is called a car race" to quote the Race Director.
You don’t have to watch it, you know.siskue2005 wrote: ↑13 Feb 2022, 11:04Oh, a correction, you mean to quote the race director's pupet masters!!JordanMugen wrote: ↑13 Feb 2022, 07:03The only folks advocating that Masi did anything especially wrong are Lewis supporters as far as I can tell. Others are really not too fussed at all about a minor procedural anomaly, the overtake for the race win did happen on the track after all -- "we went motor racing, it is called a car race" to quote the Race Director.PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑11 Feb 2022, 20:42Mario Andretti is a big Max supporterever since Max entered F1. Not surprising the many times he has sided with Max so this says nothing really.
The full conversation goes as follows:
Wheatley: “Obviously those lapped cars, you don’t need to let them go… right the way around and let them catch up with the back of the pack.”
Masi: “Understood.”
Wheatley: “You need to let them go…”
Masi: “Understood, just give me a second.”
Wheatley: “…and then we got a motor race on our hands.”
Masi: “Understood.”
Instead of personal attacks, please enlighten me. ThanksStu wrote: ↑13 Feb 2022, 11:12You don’t have to watch it, you know.siskue2005 wrote: ↑13 Feb 2022, 11:04Oh, a correction, you mean to quote the race director's pupet masters!!JordanMugen wrote: ↑13 Feb 2022, 07:03
The only folks advocating that Masi did anything especially wrong are Lewis supporters as far as I can tell. Others are really not too fussed at all about a minor procedural anomaly, the overtake for the race win did happen on the track after all -- "we went motor racing, it is called a car race" to quote the Race Director.
The full conversation goes as follows:
Wheatley: “Obviously those lapped cars, you don’t need to let them go… right the way around and let them catch up with the back of the pack.”
Masi: “Understood.”
Wheatley: “You need to let them go…”
Masi: “Understood, just give me a second.”
Wheatley: “…and then we got a motor race on our hands.”
Masi: “Understood.”
There are plenty of other sports that you could follow.
You also only appear to notice decisions that go against your favoured driver, the decisions that go the other way always seem to be fair and true.