FIA Thread

[F1NAC]

So it's the DTM race director, who was already offered a position as deputy race director by the FIA in November and who was heavily criticized for his decision making in DTM, Freitas from WEC who did an alright job from what i know and Herbie Blash who was already Whiting's deputy race director.

Having watched DTM i really don't know if that guy is an upgrade.

What poor decisions did he make in DTM? I know a lot of noise is made about things that are actually within the rules these days...

apparently throwing your championship contender out of the race is worth only 5 seconds penalty

[the EDGE]

So it's the DTM race director, who was already offered a position as deputy race director by the FIA in November and who was heavily criticized for his decision making in DTM, Freitas from WEC who did an alright job from what i know and Herbie Blash who was already Whiting's deputy race director.

Having watched DTM i really don't know if that guy is an upgrade.

What poor decisions did he make in DTM? I know a lot of noise is made about things that are actually within the rules these days...

apparently throwing your championship contender out of the race is worth only 5 seconds penalty

Does the Race Director decide on penalties in DTM then? because we have stewards who do that in F1

[AeroDynamic]

Personally, im very happy with this result.

this is as close as an acknowledgement from the FIA that they recognise what happened was not correct and screwed up a championship deciding result. If it was simply a structure issue, they would not have replaced Masi. This is now a fact with the psychology of this decision. The teams reportedly support all these changes too, despite some outlier quotes to support Masi's well being (which, I can see why the FIA likely encouraged people recently to support him because this is tough to take)

but ultimately, the right decisions are tough.

Im happy he's staying on, I hope he has a close accompanying role because as Ive said before many a time, he was competent in a number of areas and he has a wealth of inherited knowledge and experience from Charlie. He just doesn't need to have race authority to give us those strengths. Let someone else do it and hopefully it will be better.

very pleased about the race control room structure, its a change as big as we as fans could've hoped for. I just hope it demonstrates this with more reliable and consistent stewarding decisions on incidents.

[SiLo]

What poor decisions did he make in DTM? I know a lot of noise is made about things that are actually within the rules these days...

apparently throwing your championship contender out of the race is worth only 5 seconds penalty

Does the Race Director decide on penalties in DTM then? because we have stewards who do that in F1

Kind of what I was getting at... The stewards in that case made a horrible decision.

[jknights]

https://www.fia.com/news/fia-president- ... refereeing

1. Masi got sacked.
2. VAR like system to be implemented
3. No direct radio communication, questions can be asked via strict protocol.
4. The unlapping procedure will be reassessed.
5. New race direction: Niels Wittich and Eduardo Freitas who will alternate and will be assisted by Herbie Blash

So vindication.
Glad that Masi is to be ridded/sacked/moved sideways or whatever you want to call it, as he was unfit for the role.
The new structure will hopefully bring some sanity to the process. Whinger Horner and Ranging Wolff are put back in their box.

I am wondering if the result will be adjust in the grand way that F1 can!

Give Hamilton the race as a win and also as a points count for the WDC.
We then have a joint win if you discount the countback method which since Verstappen does get the race win then they are equal on points! Huge kludge and messing with the process.

Personally I think that this would be another mess so I wouldnt advocate this as what is done, is done..

[NathanOlder]

Personally, im very happy with this result.

this is as close as an acknowledgement from the FIA that they recognise what happened was not correct and screwed up a championship deciding result. If it was simply a structure issue, they would not have replaced Masi. This is now a fact with the psychology of this decision. The teams reportedly support all these changes too, despite some outlier quotes to support Masi's well being (which, I can see why the FIA likely encouraged people recently to support him because this is tough to take)

but ultimately, the right decisions are tough.

Im happy he's staying on, I hope he has a close accompanying role because as Ive said before many a time, he was competent in a number of areas and he has a wealth of inherited knowledge and experience from Charlie. He just doesn't need to have race authority to give us those strengths. Let someone else do it and hopefully it will be better.

very pleased about the race control room structure, its a change as big as we as fans could've hoped for. I just hope it demonstrates this with more reliable and consistent stewarding decisions on incidents.

Agree, he should stay on for the safety side of thing with the circuit etc, he seemed very good at this, and hands on.

As you say this IS the FIA saying the rules were not followed, so we have to remove him as punishment and cant trust him in future. This says for sure that IF the rules were followed correctly, we would have had a different world champion. Therefore the wrong man was crowned champion in 2021. I guess now this can be put to bed now and it goes down in history as one of those years *

[DChemTech]

https://www.fia.com/news/fia-president- ... refereeing

1. Masi got sacked.
2. VAR like system to be implemented
3. No direct radio communication, questions can be asked via strict protocol.
4. The unlapping procedure will be reassessed.
5. New race direction: Niels Wittich and Eduardo Freitas who will alternate and will be assisteded by Herbie Blash

I hope they take a good look at the rulebook as a whole rather than just the unlapping procedure. Replacing the executioner doesn't correct the gaps in the underlying philosophy. There's been several instances (from interpretation of 'what is a track limit' and 'what constitutes gaining an advantage' to 'when is a move classified as pushing the other party of the track') where the rulebook has been interpreted inconsistently, or where there is too much room for interpretation. You can never close all gaps, but I'm sure they can improve based on observations made last year.

[NathanOlder]

https://www.fia.com/news/fia-president- ... refereeing

1. Masi got sacked.
2. VAR like system to be implemented
3. No direct radio communication, questions can be asked via strict protocol.
4. The unlapping procedure will be reassessed.
5. New race direction: Niels Wittich and Eduardo Freitas who will alternate and will be assisteded by Herbie Blash

I hope they take a good look at the rulebook as a whole rather than just the unlapping procedure. Replacing the executioner doesn't correct the gaps in the underlying philosophy. There's been several instances (from interpretation of 'what is a track limit' and 'what constitutes gaining an advantage' to 'when is a move classified as pushing the other party of the track') where the rulebook has been interpreted inconsistently, or where there is too much room for interpretation. You can never close all gaps, but I'm sure they can improve based on observations made last year.

Track limits are probably the 1 thing everyone hates! Why cant they just say its the white line ?! why is that so hard to do ?!? I really hope that gets looked at, and fixed asap

[RZS10]

What poor decisions did he make in DTM? I know a lot of noise is made about things that are actually within the rules these days...

It all just seemed inconsistent and the poor decision making of the stewards still reflects poorly on him. And he was the one referring things to the stewards and did not do so on some occasions, he started races with cars not yet having fully caught up with the field ("oh it was just a few cars at the back", some questionable decisions to bring out the SC ... that's just at the top of my head

[DChemTech]

Ben Sulayem today: "Michael, I sent you an email..."

[taperoo2k]

Well I'm glad Masi has been moved sideways, if he'd stayed on then the pressure on him to get every decision right would have been too much. They should have changed the structure of Race Control when Charlie Whiting died tbh. I think it's a good idea to have a VAR system for F1 that's removed from the action and that has the time to look at incidents the Race Director is too busy to look at.

As for the safety car procedures ? I think it might be time to consider red flagging a race, to allow tyre changes to be made and then it's down to driver skill as to who wins the race or gets points. The current procedure of cars unlapping themselves is clunky at best.

[Juzh]

Give Hamilton the race as a win and also as a points count for the WDC.
We then have a joint win if you discount the countback method which since Verstappen does get the race win then they are equal on points! Huge kludge and messing with the process.

This arbitrary readjustment can happen only in dreams. 2 winners? lol.

[nzjrs]

Curious to see how the correlation is causation bois react to this one

[Just_a_fan]

Curious to see how the correlation is causation bois react to this one

It's a simple political move to make it seem as though the FIA are listening to the howls of anger that rang out from many people watching the AD race last year. The underlying incompetence will doubtless still be there ready to mess up something in the coming season.

But to give you a nice easy target in response to what amounts to a troll post, it shows that Masi is considered to have messed up big time.

[siskue2005]

Finally, Masi is replaced

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... 98oPE.html