Hes not talking about the floor.pantherxxx wrote: ↑19 Feb 2022, 14:4121:18: "Now after reading the rules I genuinely don't understand how is this legal."
That's exactly what I think about this floor.
Hes not talking about the floor.pantherxxx wrote: ↑19 Feb 2022, 14:4121:18: "Now after reading the rules I genuinely don't understand how is this legal."
That's exactly what I think about this floor.
They have no obligation to release any of their own footage at any point. The filming days are to create images for use in their, and their sponsons marketingcooken wrote: ↑19 Feb 2022, 14:14Doesn't all this on track running fall under the filming day rules? Hence would they be required to release all the footage, or at least some of it, to the public?
Still very possible (likely) that a lot of the aero features are several design iterations old, or just very early conceptual things they want to get correlation with before committing further developments.
Sorry, yes he is talking the about a component on the floor. The tiny 'turning vane' ahead of the rear wheels. Hardly the be all and end all of aero devicesMchamilton wrote: ↑19 Feb 2022, 15:55Hes not talking about the floor.pantherxxx wrote: ↑19 Feb 2022, 14:4121:18: "Now after reading the rules I genuinely don't understand how is this legal."
That's exactly what I think about this floor.
Or it was specifically done for running the Silverstone shakedown/first run of the car on a wet day and track.JPBD1990 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2022, 15:27Kyle.engineers comments that the front and rear wings are among the most cranked we’ve seen so far. Given they’re relatively ‘inefficient’ aero surfaces compared to, for example, the underfloor and diffuser, does this suggest they’ve struggled to extract the downforce there and need it from the wings instead?pantherxxx wrote: ↑19 Feb 2022, 14:4121:18: "Now after reading the rules I genuinely don't understand how is this legal."
That's exactly what I think about this floor.
Or are they just doing a ‘downforce at all costs’ type approach…
Sure. I mean, marketing typically has the public as its target audience so...?mrluke wrote: ↑19 Feb 2022, 15:51My understanding of the "filming days" is for the teams own marketing, why do you think there is an obligation to release the footage to the public?cooken wrote: ↑19 Feb 2022, 14:14Doesn't all this on track running fall under the filming day rules? Hence would they be required to release all the footage, or at least some of it, to the public?
Still very possible (likely) that a lot of the aero features are several design iterations old, or just very early conceptual things they want to get correlation with before committing further developments.
I wouldn't even call it a 'turning vane' as it doesn't appear designed to turn air.Mchamilton wrote: ↑19 Feb 2022, 15:59Sorry, yes he is talking the about a component on the floor. The tiny 'turning vane' ahead of the rear wheels. Hardly the be all and end all of aero devices
Yeah i was going to suggest its housing a tyre temp sensor if anythingShakeman wrote: ↑19 Feb 2022, 16:38I wouldn't even call it a 'turning vane' as it doesn't appear designed to turn air.Mchamilton wrote: ↑19 Feb 2022, 15:59Sorry, yes he is talking the about a component on the floor. The tiny 'turning vane' ahead of the rear wheels. Hardly the be all and end all of aero devices
Filming days also double up as an unofficial test day so a more prosaic explanation for the device is that it is a sensor measuring some parameter of interest in that region be that tyre deflection or whatever <insert you best guess here>.
He's basically copying what Kyle Engineers presents. He casually breezes over the step change in the wing like it's nothing whereas Kyle tells you the why and how. I'm not sure about this B-sport guy.
I got to same questions looking at the difference between Ferrari and Merc rear wings.JPBD1990 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2022, 15:27Kyle.engineers comments that the front and rear wings are among the most cranked we’ve seen so far. Given they’re relatively ‘inefficient’ aero surfaces compared to, for example, the underfloor and diffuser, does this suggest they’ve struggled to extract the downforce there and need it from the wings instead?pantherxxx wrote: ↑19 Feb 2022, 14:4121:18: "Now after reading the rules I genuinely don't understand how is this legal."
That's exactly what I think about this floor.
Or are they just doing a ‘downforce at all costs’ type approach…
That may be why he’s not a Merc engineer anymore?pantherxxx wrote: ↑19 Feb 2022, 14:4121:18: "Now after reading the rules I genuinely don't understand how is this legal."
That's exactly what I think about this floor.
Right? Though, no doubt it's likely from burn out (working for yourself, if you can pull it off, is probably a better gig hours wise). Also, we don't even know what parts of the aero program he was involved in. He could have been a busy-be or been involved in a lot. That said, I really enjoy what Kyle is doing and am a fan of his channel, as I believe he is the most sincere in his analyst and is obviously very competent, and is honest about the limitations of these types of analysis.mkay wrote: ↑19 Feb 2022, 17:49That may be why he’s not a Merc engineer anymore?pantherxxx wrote: ↑19 Feb 2022, 14:4121:18: "Now after reading the rules I genuinely don't understand how is this legal."
That's exactly what I think about this floor.
Or they have an otherwise low drag car and so the wings aren't an issue.Ryar wrote: ↑19 Feb 2022, 17:30I got to same questions looking at the difference between Ferrari and Merc rear wings.JPBD1990 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2022, 15:27Kyle.engineers comments that the front and rear wings are among the most cranked we’ve seen so far. Given they’re relatively ‘inefficient’ aero surfaces compared to, for example, the underfloor and diffuser, does this suggest they’ve struggled to extract the downforce there and need it from the wings instead?pantherxxx wrote: ↑19 Feb 2022, 14:41
21:18: "Now after reading the rules I genuinely don't understand how is this legal."
That's exactly what I think about this floor.
Or are they just doing a ‘downforce at all costs’ type approach…
'Downforce at all costs' is a risky exercise now as Honda has been on par with performance and noises from Ferrari claim they have regained a lot of power. The engine power is even more skewed situation due to E10. Unless, Merc have found a miracle fountain of power that then allows them to go for 2019 philosophy of 'Downforce at all costs' . The other plausible theory could be, this is once again an old iteration of the development phase and they have another, more advanced version scheduled to come out.