Yes, I think DRS will be a little bit more powerful because of the cleaner air, but we're probably talking quite a small amount.Mattchu wrote: ↑26 Feb 2022, 13:54Does anyone know what the speed differential is with the new cars with DRS open as opposed to DRS closed?
These cars by all accounts % wise get a lot more of the downforce from the floor/tunnels than the previous generations and the rear wing by all accounts doesn`t matter as much for rear downforce!
Basically, will DRS be less effective now or does the fact the air should be cleaner mean it might be more efficient?
Well the wake may be cleaner but it's actually lower pressure isn't it, and (edit) the wing is a bit wider and deeper but it doesn't have the end plates, and I think runs at less of an angle? Why can't i find this spec? But so the overall tow might be quite high still but the difference the DRS itself makes will be smaller I think.OO7 wrote: ↑26 Feb 2022, 19:07Yes, I think DRS will be a little bit more powerful because of the cleaner air, but we're probably talking quite a small amount.Mattchu wrote: ↑26 Feb 2022, 13:54Does anyone know what the speed differential is with the new cars with DRS open as opposed to DRS closed?
These cars by all accounts % wise get a lot more of the downforce from the floor/tunnels than the previous generations and the rear wing by all accounts doesn`t matter as much for rear downforce!
Basically, will DRS be less effective now or does the fact the air should be cleaner mean it might be more efficient?
New rules have made DRS more powerful which will aid overtaking – Bottas: https://www.racefans.net/2022/02/27/new ... ng-bottas/izzy wrote: ↑27 Feb 2022, 10:16Well the wake may be cleaner but it's actually lower pressure isn't it, and (edit) the wing is a bit wider and deeper but it doesn't have the end plates, and I think runs at less of an angle? Why can't i find this spec? But so the overall tow might be quite high still but the difference the DRS itself makes will be smaller I think.OO7 wrote: ↑26 Feb 2022, 19:07Yes, I think DRS will be a little bit more powerful because of the cleaner air, but we're probably talking quite a small amount.Mattchu wrote: ↑26 Feb 2022, 13:54Does anyone know what the speed differential is with the new cars with DRS open as opposed to DRS closed?
These cars by all accounts % wise get a lot more of the downforce from the floor/tunnels than the previous generations and the rear wing by all accounts doesn`t matter as much for rear downforce!
Basically, will DRS be less effective now or does the fact the air should be cleaner mean it might be more efficient?
I fixed your link - you had put the URL in bold inside the URL tag and that had resulted in the F1 Tech URL being prefixed to the URL you posted when I clicked on it (at least for me it did!).
...I did chat with some other drivers, they say they got close, they said they had less slipstream effect. We’ll see, we’ll find out in Bahrain. But also I think it’s an important point that the DRS effect is bigger this year because of the wider wing so maybe that will compensate the small loss of the slipstream.
That makes sense. If there is more air for downforce when following another car, it would stand to reason the tow will be weaker and DRS more effective. I wonder if DRS trains will not be as much of a problem as the cars will be able to follow closer. LEC said there was a weird feeling between 0.5-1 sec behind a car when it was harder to close up, but outside the 0.5-1 second gap (closer and farther) it was easier to follow. Stay around 1 second through the corner and then use DRS to get to 0.5.OO7 wrote: ↑28 Feb 2022, 10:51New rules have made DRS more powerful which will aid overtaking – Bottas: https://www.racefans.net/2022/02/27/new-rules-have-made-drs-more-powerful-which-will-aid-overtaking-bottas/izzy wrote: ↑27 Feb 2022, 10:16Well the wake may be cleaner but it's actually lower pressure isn't it, and (edit) the wing is a bit wider and deeper but it doesn't have the end plates, and I think runs at less of an angle? Why can't i find this spec? But so the overall tow might be quite high still but the difference the DRS itself makes will be smaller I think.
Thanks for pointing that out dave. I've now edited the post to correct the issue.dave kumar wrote: ↑28 Feb 2022, 11:04I fixed your link - you had put the URL in bold inside the URL tag and that had resulted in the F1 Tech URL being prefixed to the URL you posted when I clicked on it (at least for me it did!).
https://www.racefans.net/2022/02/27/new ... ng-bottas/
The part of the interview that is relevant is just this snippet...I did chat with some other drivers, they say they got close, they said they had less slipstream effect. We’ll see, we’ll find out in Bahrain. But also I think it’s an important point that the DRS effect is bigger this year because of the wider wing so maybe that will compensate the small loss of the slipstream.
yes, I saw that, thanks. It is wider but I'm just thinking there are some other factors as well like the end plates and the angle of attack it starts with, and the air pressure it's working in at the time. And I'm not sure Valtteri is talking about his actual experience. But the big difference is getting within that 1s to start with isn't it so it should be good either way. And if it's too good they can just change the zone or trigger point or just turn it off.OO7 wrote: ↑28 Feb 2022, 10:51New rules have made DRS more powerful which will aid overtaking – Bottas: https://www.racefans.net/2022/02/27/new ... ng-bottas/izzy wrote: ↑27 Feb 2022, 10:16Well the wake may be cleaner but it's actually lower pressure isn't it, and (edit) the wing is a bit wider and deeper but it doesn't have the end plates, and I think runs at less of an angle? Why can't i find this spec? But so the overall tow might be quite high still but the difference the DRS itself makes will be smaller I think.
I agreed. Those are good points izzy.izzy wrote: ↑28 Feb 2022, 16:48yes, I saw that, thanks. It is wider but I'm just thinking there are some other factors as well like the end plates and the angle of attack it starts with, and the air pressure it's working in at the time. And I'm not sure Valtteri is talking about his actual experience. But the big difference is getting within that 1s to start with isn't it so it should be good either way. And if it's too good they can just change the zone or trigger point or just turn it off.OO7 wrote: ↑28 Feb 2022, 10:51New rules have made DRS more powerful which will aid overtaking – Bottas: https://www.racefans.net/2022/02/27/new ... ng-bottas/izzy wrote: ↑27 Feb 2022, 10:16Well the wake may be cleaner but it's actually lower pressure isn't it, and (edit) the wing is a bit wider and deeper but it doesn't have the end plates, and I think runs at less of an angle? Why can't i find this spec? But so the overall tow might be quite high still but the difference the DRS itself makes will be smaller I think.