Ferrari F1-75

[Sevach]

Why should FIA raise the maximum weight to 800KG? And then punish those who produced a car below the agreed weight?
Teams had one extra year to get their acts together.

Development was frozen for all of 2020 IIRC so the extra year didn't really materialize. I would still agree that they shouldn't raise the minimum weight.

I don't get it either, if you are behind on aero or power... well tough s...
If you are overweight, let's change the rules.

Doesn't make sense.

[Stu]

Why should FIA raise the maximum weight to 800KG? And then punish those who produced a car below the agreed weight?
Teams had one extra year to get their acts together.

Development was frozen for all of 2020 IIRC so the extra year didn't really materialize. I would still agree that they shouldn't raise the minimum weight.

Only aerodynamic development was frozen.

[dialtone]

Why should FIA raise the maximum weight to 800KG? And then punish those who produced a car below the agreed weight?
Teams had one extra year to get their acts together.

Development was frozen for all of 2020 IIRC so the extra year didn't really materialize. I would still agree that they shouldn't raise the minimum weight.

Only aerodynamic development was frozen.

Yeah, but that’s the variable part. Engine has to weigh 150kg, driver and seat 80kg, wheels are standard, safety cell is also heavily regulated and so on. Chassis and aero bits are where you make the difference.

[Andi76]

Raising the weight limit would be totally wrong, in my opinion. Weight can be a gamechanger and was always a part of the technogical competition. In 1996 and 1997 Ferrari had a disadvantage because their John Barnard designed cars were overweight, while the Williams designed Newey cars were able to strategically place ballast to improve the handling of the car. Later in 2003 Ferrari was able to play with almost 100 kg of ballast. Their structural analysis where the car needs to be stiff and where it needs less material was superior. Its a technology and part of the design and analysis process in F1. So why support teams, like Red Bull, who are not as good in their structural analysis? Its part of the competition, F1 technology, always was. So i do not think its right to raise the weight limit.

[mclaren111]

Why should FIA raise the maximum weight to 800KG? And then punish those who produced a car below the agreed weight?
Teams had one extra year to get their acts together.

Development was frozen for all of 2020 IIRC so the extra year didn't really materialize. I would still agree that they shouldn't raise the minimum weight.

IIRC only aero development was frozen and not the rest...

[F1NAC]

Why should FIA raise the maximum weight to 800KG? And then punish those who produced a car below the agreed weight?
Teams had one extra year to get their acts together.

Development was frozen for all of 2020 IIRC so the extra year didn't really materialize. I would still agree that they shouldn't raise the minimum weight.

IIRC only aero development was frozen and not the rest...

Not correct ... anyway OT



Formula 1 teams have been banned from developing their cars for the new regulations due in 2022 for the remainder of the year following a World Motor Sport Council ruling

[shamyakovic]

Why should FIA raise the maximum weight to 800KG? And then punish those who produced a car below the agreed weight?
Teams had one extra year to get their acts together.

I agree, I think ferrari are one of the teams who got the car right.. and this weight would be one of the reasons they are in front now... we don't want others to catchup with this change... if ferrari had known they will increase it then ferrari could have gone even more aggressive

[mzso]

Plus Ferrari has no split turbo. That already makes the start off position/decisions for packaging different to Honda and Mercedes powered teams.

Are we sure that Ferrari has no split turbo?

Yes.

Based on what?

[mzso]

Why should FIA raise the maximum weight to 800KG? And then punish those who produced a car below the agreed weight?
Teams had one extra year to get their acts together.

I agree, I think ferrari are one of the teams who got the car right.. and this weight would be one of the reasons they are in front now... we don't want others to catchup with this change... if ferrari had known they will increase it then ferrari could have gone even more aggressive

Why is there a stupid weight limit anyway. We have a cost cap now! Let weight be a differentiator.
Only leave the driver weight compensation, because we want talents instead of mere midgets and lift everything else.

(Also an engine cost-cap is supposed to be coming anyway, so there's no reason to have a weight limit there either.)

[JPower]

Are we sure that Ferrari has no split turbo?

Yes.

Based on what?

A hunch.

But seriously, I think the insiders would’ve made a huge deal if Ferrari had made that drastic a change to their architecture. You’re right to question my assertion based on no confirmation from Ferrari.

[codetower]

Yes.

Based on what?

A hunch.

But seriously, I think the insiders would’ve made a huge deal if Ferrari had made that drastic a change to their architecture. You’re right to question my assertion based on no confirmation from Ferrari.

Also, if you believe the official site... states it's a single turbocharger:

https://www.ferrari.com/en-US/formula1/ ... eater-2022

[mzso]

Also, if you believe the official site... states it's a single turbocharger:

A single turbo charger is a given, the rules don't allow more. The split turbo only adds a long shaft to that turbo, as far as I know.

But seriously, I think the insiders would’ve made a huge deal if Ferrari had made that drastic a change to their architecture. You’re right to question my assertion based on no confirmation from Ferrari.

That's not my impression of Ferrari. They're very secretive. They only recently showed a years old Power unit.
And these days are even more cautious about bold claims, engine or otherwise.
(It used to be more of a "we're gonna rule!" than two months later "we're focusing on next year's car" pattern, before the Binotto leadership)

[JPower]

Also, if you believe the official site... states it's a single turbocharger:

A single turbo charger is a given, the rules don't allow more. The split turbo only adds a long shaft to that turbo, as far as I know.

But seriously, I think the insiders would’ve made a huge deal if Ferrari had made that drastic a change to their architecture. You’re right to question my assertion based on no confirmation from Ferrari.

That's not my impression of Ferrari. They're very secretive. They only recently showed a years old Power unit.
And these days are even more cautious about bold claims, engine or otherwise.
(It used to be more of a "we're gonna rule!" than two months later "we're focusing on next year's car" pattern, before the Binotto leadership)

Eh, I don't know about that. Ferrari can be a leaky faucet at times. We knew about the 2021 PU and its improvements very early as well as the new hybrid upgrade. We also knew that the 2022 engine would be using a new combustion process and "innovative" technology as far back as winter 2020.

[codetower]

A single turbo charger is a given, the rules don't allow more. The split turbo only adds a long shaft to that turbo, as far as I know.

Ahhh, thank you for the clarification (I'm not very savvy when it comes to turbos). I was under the impression that a "split" was indeed "twin".

So theoretically, it could be a split design.

[F1NAC]

Also, if you believe the official site... states it's a single turbocharger:

A single turbo charger is a given, the rules don't allow more. The split turbo only adds a long shaft to that turbo, as far as I know.

But seriously, I think the insiders would’ve made a huge deal if Ferrari had made that drastic a change to their architecture. You’re right to question my assertion based on no confirmation from Ferrari.

That's not my impression of Ferrari. They're very secretive. They only recently showed a years old Power unit.
And these days are even more cautious about bold claims, engine or otherwise.
(It used to be more of a "we're gonna rule!" than two months later "we're focusing on next year's car" pattern, before the Binotto leadership)

Eh, I don't know about that. Ferrari can be a leaky faucet at times. We knew about the 2021 PU and its improvements very early as well as the new hybrid upgrade. We also knew that the 2022 engine would be using a new combustion process and "innovative" technology as far back as winter 2020.

Well... where else can you develop PU. It all starts with combustion.... neither of reporters know exactly what has being changed...