Mercedes W13

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mwillems wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 10:54
organic wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 10:52
Has anyone seen the W13 go through T10 without locking up yet?

I am thinking this car does not look pleasant to drive, even on a slightly softer compound. Hopefully it's setup related
Car doesn't look settled in these stages, a little bit twitchy in the footage I have seen.

Edit: just watched the merc do a circuit and it looks twitchy all over the place.
Yeah, doesn't look good at all right now. The balance is all over the place.

Early to judge if it's just a matter of setup, or this concept is faulty.

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It's setup...
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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Vanja #66 wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 11:05
It's setup...
You don't really know that though. Nobody does, not even Merc.

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Vanja #66 wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 11:05
It's setup...
They all have less than ideal setups, the Ferrari just power slid through turn 11.
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nimoraca wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 10:40
Given that porpoising starts at the beginning of the straight, does that mean that they generate a lot more downforce now at lower speeds. Haven't seen that in Barcelona.
Sure looks like it
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Emag wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 11:03
mwillems wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 10:54
organic wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 10:52
Has anyone seen the W13 go through T10 without locking up yet?

I am thinking this car does not look pleasant to drive, even on a slightly softer compound. Hopefully it's setup related
Car doesn't look settled in these stages, a little bit twitchy in the footage I have seen.

Edit: just watched the merc do a circuit and it looks twitchy all over the place.
Yeah, doesn't look good at all right now. The balance is all over the place.

Early to judge if it's just a matter of setup, or this concept is faulty.
Traction is often not great out of corners and twitching seems more mid corner, down force not yet consistent?

There's a lot of work to get the suspension and ride height to optimal, could well be setup. Perhaps they are pushing the setup to see where the best balance lies. Some inconsistency in the car is acceptable as long as it is predictable and driveable.
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mkay wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 11:07
Vanja #66 wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 11:05
It's setup...
You don't really know that though. Nobody does, not even Merc.
They do, if there was correlation issues, the previous design would have told them that

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mkay wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 11:07
Vanja #66 wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 11:05
It's setup...
You don't really know that though. Nobody does, not even Merc.
I'm sure merc knows if it's setup or not!
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AMuS article on the car. I find this section particularly interesting:
The revised W13 may look like a completely new car, but it is not. More like an evolution. "We have only built new bodywork. The innards underneath have remained the same. In Barcelona we simply had more air between the bodywork and the components underneath," explains team boss Toto Wolff. Chief engineer Andrew Shovlin confirms: "Mechanically, the car is the same as in Barcelona. Only the outer skin has changed."

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Wing shaped mirror mount
Most of the discussion was about the sidepods. Mercedes integrates the upper crash structure into the wing element that protrudes horizontally from the chassis. Officially, the wing is considered a holder for the rear-view mirror. But this creative interpretation of the regulations is already stirring things up.

Red Bull boss Christian Horner threatens resistance: "These are not mirror mounts, but two wings. They also have vertical baffles built on top. They have nothing to do with the mirror mount."

Said fins partly point outwards. This is interpreted by the competition as an outwash element. "From our point of view, Mercedes went a step too far. That does not correspond to the spirit of the regulations. For us, these wings are illegal," Horner railed. Mercedes is calm about the criticism. The car was thus approved by the FIA. The FIA ​​inspectors had the CAD data on their desk weeks ago.

The new side box concept has another advantage. It creates a lot of free space on the base plate and thus gives more freedom for the front diffuser tunnel. "The area is strictly regulated, but that's where we found great potential for development," an engineer tells us. The inlet into the floor has been modified accordingly.

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... k-bahrain/
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mkay wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 11:07
Vanja #66 wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 11:05
It's setup...
You don't really know that though. Nobody does, not even Merc.
If the car is understeering in repeated similar scenarios and oversteering in again similar scenarios its setup.

If the car has oversteer/understeer in random scenarios then its balance (likely aero balance) causing the issue.

Seeing low speed corner understeer and low speed corner exit oversteer, its 100% setup. that aero is doing very little at low speeds

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mkay wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 11:07
You don't really know that though. Nobody does, not even Merc.
Lap times are well over 5s slower than 2021 pole time. Car's aren't that close to their limit, so all problems right now are coming from figuring out the setup that suits them (or teams keep the same poor setup while they test something else). There's nothing dramatically different on the new car that could influence poor behaviour during slower testing laps other than setup.
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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Vanja #66 wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 11:05
It's setup...
Yes this is what I'm thinking too. Today they just want rear downforce, as long as they have lots of that they can work on balancing it and all that, with the rest of the data. From this point of view, some porpoising and understeer could be quite promising even.

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Seem a bit breezy at the track and all the cars look twitchy and with low grip in slow speed corners. It's also morning of day 1 at another track, lets give it some time.

Merc so far seem to have the rear of the car lower than any other on track though.
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