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gandharva wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 11:47
W13 istn't working at all at the moment. Massive porpoising on the straight even with DRS open and also lots of problems during coernering. Hamilton had to abondon his pushlap due to all this problems.
That's a stretch and jumping to conclusion , Like Ant Davidson said , they lowered the ride height so they are still very much in a setup phases . if i had to guess , Hamilton was never supposed to finish the lap , the aim was to judge the change under certain speed/load
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AeroDynamic wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 11:32
mwillems wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 11:30
Ross Brawn has confirmed live that he has seen nothing that is unnaceotabke here in Bahrain.
But he also Suggested that it can change if another team provides an argument that wasn't considered, and may be valid.
I didn't catch that, I had to walk downstairs to start work lol
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Just_a_fan wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 11:34
mwillems wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 11:30
Ross Brawn has confirmed live that he has seen nothing that is unnaceotabke here in Bahrain.
But he isn't the FIA. If a team comes up with an argument that the FIA hadn't previously considered, they might still change their mind and say a n idea is not allowed after all.

I expect to see Horner complaining a lot in the next few days/weeks...
The world would be upside down if he didn't.

Brawn isn't the FIA but he will know if there is an issue.

My only opinion on the matter is that at some point development in that area will he a step too far.
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mwillems wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 11:57
AeroDynamic wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 11:32
mwillems wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 11:30
Ross Brawn has confirmed live that he has seen nothing that is unnaceotabke here in Bahrain.
But he also Suggested that it can change if another team provides an argument that wasn't considered, and may be valid.
I didn't catch that, I had to walk downstairs to start work lol
And Ross works for F1 not FIA so he has NO weight when he says that. FIA are the regulators of the sport and are the ones that make the decisions on legality. So nothing can be said right now. But so far I haven't really seen anything about what could be deemed illegal? The aero parts of the mirror mounts?


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FMP wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 12:00
mwillems wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 11:57
AeroDynamic wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 11:32


But he also Suggested that it can change if another team provides an argument that wasn't considered, and may be valid.
I didn't catch that, I had to walk downstairs to start work lol
And Ross works for F1 not FIA so he has NO weight when he says that. FIA are the regulators of the sport and are the ones that make the decisions on legality. So nothing can be said right now. But so far I haven't really seen anything about what could be deemed illegal? The aero parts of the mirror mounts?
but what can be said is the FIA have obvously said its ok, otherwise Mercedes wouldnt be here testing it.
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mwillems wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 11:59
Just_a_fan wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 11:34
mwillems wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 11:30
Ross Brawn has confirmed live that he has seen nothing that is unnaceotabke here in Bahrain.
But he isn't the FIA. If a team comes up with an argument that the FIA hadn't previously considered, they might still change their mind and say a n idea is not allowed after all.

I expect to see Horner complaining a lot in the next few days/weeks...
The world would be upside down if he didn't.

Brawn isn't the FIA but he will know if there is an issue.

My only opinion on the matter is that at some point development in that area will he a step too far.
The comments made by Horner were retracted by red bull, i suspect it's when they realised that what horner calls a wing and illegal is actually the crash structure that needs to be there.

There wont be any rule changes around this area, I mean its a safety device right?

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Merc right now is slammed to the floor, much lower than the rest of the cars. Brundle watching the cars go round summed it up best, it's very early days for all the teams as they all look slow, lethargic and struggling for grip.
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mzivtins wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 12:06
mwillems wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 11:59
Just_a_fan wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 11:34


But he isn't the FIA. If a team comes up with an argument that the FIA hadn't previously considered, they might still change their mind and say a n idea is not allowed after all.

I expect to see Horner complaining a lot in the next few days/weeks...
The world would be upside down if he didn't.

Brawn isn't the FIA but he will know if there is an issue.

My only opinion on the matter is that at some point development in that area will he a step too far.
The comments made by Horner were retracted by red bull, i suspect it's when they realised that what horner calls a wing and illegal is actually the crash structure that needs to be there.

There wont be any rule changes around this area, I mean its a safety device right?
Hocus-Pocus backpeddle.

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Love to see these opponents' reactions!

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SiLo wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 12:06
Merc right now is slammed to the floor, much lower than the rest of the cars. Brundle watching the cars go round summed it up best, it's very early days for all the teams as they all look slow, lethargic and struggling for grip.
Like they do when they turn up during the race season. First practice is always a process of track cleaning. The meat and potatoes of the test will be tomorrow and Saturday.

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NathanOlder wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 12:04
FMP wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 12:00
mwillems wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 11:57


I didn't catch that, I had to walk downstairs to start work lol
And Ross works for F1 not FIA so he has NO weight when he says that. FIA are the regulators of the sport and are the ones that make the decisions on legality. So nothing can be said right now. But so far I haven't really seen anything about what could be deemed illegal? The aero parts of the mirror mounts?
but what can be said is the FIA have obvously said its ok, otherwise Mercedes wouldnt be here testing it.
Well FIA/F1 isn't that simple though. They can say whatever they want but once a protest is sent then the decision is taken. But yeah I agree. But still I don't even understand what would could be illegal about it? Don't think there is any worries as Mercedes at all.

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NathanOlder wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 12:04
FMP wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 12:00
mwillems wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 11:57


I didn't catch that, I had to walk downstairs to start work lol
And Ross works for F1 not FIA so he has NO weight when he says that. FIA are the regulators of the sport and are the ones that make the decisions on legality. So nothing can be said right now. But so far I haven't really seen anything about what could be deemed illegal? The aero parts of the mirror mounts?
but what can be said is the FIA have obvously said its ok, otherwise Mercedes wouldnt be here testing it.
they can test whatever they want. the car does not have to be legal to be allowed to get tested.

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ringo wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 08:30

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The team are not using any fancy liquid for cooling i suspect. The car is long and the radiators are actually still normal sized. I suspect the coolers are angled very narrowly and the air just flows through the cavity under the tub.
Could this car's side pod architecture be detrimental to COG or at least COP? Or do the benefits outweighs these disadvantages?

Now regarding coolant, Ross Brawn said on Sky that Merc has a new coolant system, not a new fluid coolant, had I`m not wrong ...
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