They were trying different ride heights to see what they could get away with. A number of part run laps with changes in between and then a run of several laps with no apparent porpoising.
It's testing and they are, er, testing the car's set up.
They were trying different ride heights to see what they could get away with. A number of part run laps with changes in between and then a run of several laps with no apparent porpoising.
They aren't going to turn up with all of this without first having ensured, so far as they can, that it's legal. The FIA have all of the teams' designs and will they will have had lots of "we're thinking of doing this, what do you think?" type chats.krmx37 wrote: ↑10 Mar 2022, 12:25they can test whatever they want. the car does not have to be legal to be allowed to get tested.NathanOlder wrote: ↑10 Mar 2022, 12:04but what can be said is the FIA have obvously said its ok, otherwise Mercedes wouldnt be here testing it.FMP wrote: ↑10 Mar 2022, 12:00
And Ross works for F1 not FIA so he has NO weight when he says that. FIA are the regulators of the sport and are the ones that make the decisions on legality. So nothing can be said right now. But so far I haven't really seen anything about what could be deemed illegal? The aero parts of the mirror mounts?
yeah of course, but the fact that they are testing does not mean, that it is legal. what u are sayin is, that everything we have ever seen during a test or practice would be legal, which clearly isnt the case.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑10 Mar 2022, 12:27They aren't going to turn up with all of this without first having ensured, so far as they can, that it's legal. The FIA have all of the teams' designs and will they will have had lots of "we're thinking of doing this, what do you think?" type chats.krmx37 wrote: ↑10 Mar 2022, 12:25they can test whatever they want. the car does not have to be legal to be allowed to get tested.NathanOlder wrote: ↑10 Mar 2022, 12:04
but what can be said is the FIA have obvously said its ok, otherwise Mercedes wouldnt be here testing it.
Andrew Priestley: It’s clear that the new Mercedes sidepod design is a game-changer in terms of aesthetics, but it will be very interesting to see if that translates into lap time. The F1 grid is a copycat environment, so expect everyone to jump on the bandwagon if an advantage is seen.
'We did not anticipate the Mercedes concept'
Andrew Benson
BBC Sport’s chief F1 writer
So, this Red Bull/Mercedes thing has all got a bit tasty this morning, hasn’t it? But let’s step back a bit. Ross Brawn, F1’s managing director, has told F1 TV: “There are some very extreme interpretations of the regulations which could lead to a lot of debate. We did not anticipate the Mercedes concept.” Brawn has been at pains to say in the lead-up to the new regulations being introduced this season that F1 is trying to stay on top of all the designs and ensure they do not take the cars too far away from the intent of the regulations.
Brawn has also been making a lot of the new voting structure around rule changes, which no longer out-laws changes within a season. So it’s possible that all this is the precursor of an attempt to get the Mercedes out-lawed. Red Bull have the option to protest at a race, which would leave it up to the stewards to decide.
But if Brawn feels the car is a step too far, he could try to use the rules to torpedo it. Changes within a season need eight out of the 10 teams to agree as well as F1 and the FIA for them to be introduced. This is likely to run for a while.
BBC Sport understands the FIA has looked at the Mercedes design and given it the all-clear. And it seems the FIA has also run it in CFD analysis and found it did not worsen the car’s wake - which is Brawn’s key concern with the regs, in terms of disrupting airflow for following cars.
In times of budget limits, the teams will want to be pretty sure they are testing legal stuff. What would be the point in testing an illegal design these days? They'd have to waste money making it knowing that it can't be used.krmx37 wrote: ↑10 Mar 2022, 12:29yeah of course, but the fact that they are testing does not mean, that it is legal. what u are sayin is, that everything we have ever seen during a test or practice would be legal, which clearly isnt the case.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑10 Mar 2022, 12:27They aren't going to turn up with all of this without first having ensured, so far as they can, that it's legal. The FIA have all of the teams' designs and will they will have had lots of "we're thinking of doing this, what do you think?" type chats.
yes but the point is, Mercedes would have asked for clarification on the legality of their car before spending all the money designing and maufacturing the car. Its been checked by the FIA before today , and obviously the FIA said its ok up to this point.krmx37 wrote: ↑10 Mar 2022, 12:25they can test whatever they want. the car does not have to be legal to be allowed to get tested.NathanOlder wrote: ↑10 Mar 2022, 12:04but what can be said is the FIA have obvously said its ok, otherwise Mercedes wouldnt be here testing it.FMP wrote: ↑10 Mar 2022, 12:00
And Ross works for F1 not FIA so he has NO weight when he says that. FIA are the regulators of the sport and are the ones that make the decisions on legality. So nothing can be said right now. But so far I haven't really seen anything about what could be deemed illegal? The aero parts of the mirror mounts?
More that the spirit of the rules wants to prevent too much dirty air pushed behind and bargeboards were limited as they were a prime culprit. So to see bargeboards v2 raises potential questions about how much is too much.FMP wrote: ↑10 Mar 2022, 12:16Well FIA/F1 isn't that simple though. They can say whatever they want but once a protest is sent then the decision is taken. But yeah I agree. But still I don't even understand what would could be illegal about it? Don't think there is any worries as Mercedes at all.NathanOlder wrote: ↑10 Mar 2022, 12:04but what can be said is the FIA have obvously said its ok, otherwise Mercedes wouldnt be here testing it.FMP wrote: ↑10 Mar 2022, 12:00
And Ross works for F1 not FIA so he has NO weight when he says that. FIA are the regulators of the sport and are the ones that make the decisions on legality. So nothing can be said right now. But so far I haven't really seen anything about what could be deemed illegal? The aero parts of the mirror mounts?
mwillems wrote: ↑10 Mar 2022, 12:46More that the spirit of the rules wants to prevent too much dirty air pushed behind and bargeboards were limited as they were a prime culprit. So to see bargeboards v2 raises potential questions about how much is too much.FMP wrote: ↑10 Mar 2022, 12:16Well FIA/F1 isn't that simple though. They can say whatever they want but once a protest is sent then the decision is taken. But yeah I agree. But still I don't even understand what would could be illegal about it? Don't think there is any worries as Mercedes at all.NathanOlder wrote: ↑10 Mar 2022, 12:04
but what can be said is the FIA have obvously said its ok, otherwise Mercedes wouldnt be here testing it.
Is there a too much? Have Mercedes already asked the FIA about where the line might be drawn? Do the FIA even care?
I think they will see the racing first and decide later if clarification is required!
'We did not anticipate the Mercedes concept'
Andrew Benson
BBC Sport’s chief F1 writer
So, this Red Bull/Mercedes thing has all got a bit tasty this morning, hasn’t it? But let’s step back a bit. Ross Brawn, F1’s managing director, has told F1 TV: “There are some very extreme interpretations of the regulations which could lead to a lot of debate. We did not anticipate the Mercedes concept.” Brawn has been at pains to say in the lead-up to the new regulations being introduced this season that F1 is trying to stay on top of all the designs and ensure they do not take the cars too far away from the intent of the regulations.
Brawn has also been making a lot of the new voting structure around rule changes, which no longer out-laws changes within a season. So it’s possible that all this is the precursor of an attempt to get the Mercedes out-lawed. Red Bull have the option to protest at a race, which would leave it up to the stewards to decide.
But if Brawn feels the car is a step too far, he could try to use the rules to torpedo it. Changes within a season need eight out of the 10 teams to agree as well as F1 and the FIA for them to be introduced. This is likely to run for a while.
BBC Sport understands the FIA has looked at the Mercedes design and given it the all-clear. And it seems the FIA has also run it in CFD analysis and found it did not worsen the car’s wake - which is Brawn’s key concern with the regs, in terms of disrupting airflow for following cars.
well, what was the point of the first car in Spain then? perhaps Plan A and Plan B ? Who knows.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑10 Mar 2022, 12:38In times of budget limits, the teams will want to be pretty sure they are testing legal stuff. What would be the point in testing an illegal design these days? They'd have to waste money making it knowing that it can't be used.krmx37 wrote: ↑10 Mar 2022, 12:29yeah of course, but the fact that they are testing does not mean, that it is legal. what u are sayin is, that everything we have ever seen during a test or practice would be legal, which clearly isnt the case.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑10 Mar 2022, 12:27
They aren't going to turn up with all of this without first having ensured, so far as they can, that it's legal. The FIA have all of the teams' designs and will they will have had lots of "we're thinking of doing this, what do you think?" type chats.