Mercedes W13

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sunny1304r wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 15:40
At the end of the 1st straight Sainz hit 316km/h where Russel hit just 288km/h, so Mercedes is clearly sandbagging.
No one is sandbagging. They are just running different programs.
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sunny1304r wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 15:40
At the end of the 1st straight Sainz hit 316km/h where Russel hit just 288km/h, so Mercedes is clearly sandbagging.
Even since 2014, Mercedes have usually run the most amount of fuel for the longest amount of time during testing.
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F1Krof wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 15:46
sunny1304r wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 15:40
At the end of the 1st straight Sainz hit 316km/h where Russel hit just 288km/h, so Mercedes is clearly sandbagging.
I wouldn't say. I'm watching Russel drive, it is very lethargic and quite bumpy on the straights! To me it looks like they cannot push.
Wait to see the drivers/team reaction after the day is over is probably the best way to try and read it.
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F1Krof wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 15:46
sunny1304r wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 15:40
At the end of the 1st straight Sainz hit 316km/h where Russel hit just 288km/h, so Mercedes is clearly sandbagging.
I wouldn't say. I'm watching Russel drive, it is very lethargic and quite bumpy on the straights! To me it looks like they cannot push.
I wouldn't be that negative, after what the testing was for the W12, i have less and less trust in anything that testing shows us in terms of lap times and top speed.

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Is this a Pitot tube or just a bracket attached to the floor against porpoising? Or maybe both?

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Is there a bent pushrod for aero reasons?


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Seems they altered not only the inlets for Venturi tunnels but also the front suspension (front upper wishbone at least):


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A close look at the bargeboard furniture and the back of the foor:


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So my takeaway from this thread this morning is the side pods are ugly so now the car is a dud? Got it :lol:

What a fickle bunch we have here

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ryaan2904 wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 14:53
Vanja #66 wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 09:26
Thanks, but not this time. Design is too complex to model. I'd say this time the sidepod drag is truly minimal , but if there was any kind of minimal rear tyre flow conditioning before, now there isn't... :)
Shouldn't the drag increase due to the rear tyre wake?
This was regarding sidepod drag only. Though, depends on whether we include the wing as sidepod bodywork or not :lol:
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atanatizante wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 15:49
Is this a Pitot tube or just a bracket attached to the floor against porpoising? Or maybe both?

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It's a set of aero probe.
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https://the-race.com/formula-1/gary-and ... -sidepods/

GARY ANDERSON EXPLAINS MERCEDES’ RADICAL F1 SIDEPODS
The first question is, does the Mercedes design comply with the regulations? And even more importantly, given this is what the teams will be asking the FIA, does it comply with the ‘intention of the regulations’?

The regulations demand that teams have to supply CAD data to the FIA to allow it to give an opinion on it before it hits the track, so from that I would say that, yes, it does all comply.

I’d also suggest Mercedes is not a team to get led up the garden path by erroneous windtunnel results, so I’m pretty sure it will have researched this concept to death before hitting the manufacturing button
. That’s is why it didn’t make an appearance at the first pre-season test in Barcelona.
Since the rumours that the sidepods were going to be upgraded turned out to be true, I hope that the other rumour that it would be worth lap time improvement also is true.

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By perfecting the tight internal packaging concept merc is free to use whatever side pod shape size that falls in between these 2 extremes and beyond. Should their nosidepod side pods fail to deliver they have the flexibility to go wide undercut physically rather easily. On the other hand, if the former prove to work well, no other non merc team have easy means to copy

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Listen Guys. Dont just post Pictures of 30 Year old Cars with ZERO CONTEXT. If you think it has a TECHNICAL RELEVANCY TO THE W13 state it and we can see what comes out of it. But dont just Post a Picture of a Car with small Sidepods.
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Thunder wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 16:25
Listen Guys. Dont just post Pictures of 30 Year old Cars with ZERO CONTEXT. If you think it has a TECHNICAL RELEVANCY TO THE W13 state it and we can see what comes out of it. But dont just Post a Picture of a Car with small Sidepods.
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Thunder wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 16:25
Listen Guys. Dont just post Pictures of 30 Year old Cars with ZERO CONTEXT. If you think it has a TECHNICAL RELEVANCY TO THE W13 state it and we can see what comes out of it. But dont just Post a Picture of a Car with small Sidepods.
I thought the 1991 lambo was more relevant than an f-117 and the photos much less invasive.
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cplchanb wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 16:25
By perfecting the tight internal packaging concept merc is free to use whatever side pod shape size that falls in between these 2 extremes and beyond. Should their nosidepod side pods fail to deliver they have the flexibility to go wide undercut physically rather easily. On the other hand, if the former prove to work well, no other non merc team have easy means to copy
This.

Doing what they did gives them a lot of options when the sidepods are essentially just body work.