Lewis made up some serious ground under braking for turn 1. If Sainz was braking as he normally would, then the W13 is carrying a serious amount of downforce.
"It’s a deliberate choice by Merc to turn down the wick on the straights"zibby43 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2022, 05:23Mark Hughes wrote a detailed piece today on The Race explaining how the Merc was shutting off hybrid deployment on the straights.
It’s not a PU problem, as the Aston pulls strong. It’s a deliberate choice by Merc to turn down the wick on the straights.
He also explained how Ferrari historically carries more fuel than Merc.
Virtually no difference between C4 and C5 on this circuit. In sum, if you correct for those factors, the Merc and Ferrari performances we are seeing right now are virtually identical.
The caveat being, there are still many variables beyond that. But those are easy to account for. You can tell the top 3 aren’t showing anywhere near their full hand when a Haas is fastest lol.
Nope. https://the-race.com/formula-1/mark-hug ... right-now/Dee wrote: ↑12 Mar 2022, 05:51"It’s a deliberate choice by Merc to turn down the wick on the straights"zibby43 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2022, 05:23Mark Hughes wrote a detailed piece today on The Race explaining how the Merc was shutting off hybrid deployment on the straights.
It’s not a PU problem, as the Aston pulls strong. It’s a deliberate choice by Merc to turn down the wick on the straights.
He also explained how Ferrari historically carries more fuel than Merc.
Virtually no difference between C4 and C5 on this circuit. In sum, if you correct for those factors, the Merc and Ferrari performances we are seeing right now are virtually identical.
The caveat being, there are still many variables beyond that. But those are easy to account for. You can tell the top 3 aren’t showing anywhere near their full hand when a Haas is fastest lol.
Isn't it due to the issue they have with porpoising? Saw a post that they can't go past a certain speed without it getting extremely bad, hence the "turn down the wick" on the straights
I just read the article there and nowhere in it does Hughes state that porpoising is not the reason for the lack of speed on the straights. He states an idea from Sainz as an explanation "So let’s just go with Sainz’s hypothesis for now"zibby43 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2022, 06:12Nope. https://the-race.com/formula-1/mark-hug ... right-now/Dee wrote: ↑12 Mar 2022, 05:51"It’s a deliberate choice by Merc to turn down the wick on the straights"zibby43 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2022, 05:23Mark Hughes wrote a detailed piece today on The Race explaining how the Merc was shutting off hybrid deployment on the straights.
It’s not a PU problem, as the Aston pulls strong. It’s a deliberate choice by Merc to turn down the wick on the straights.
He also explained how Ferrari historically carries more fuel than Merc.
Virtually no difference between C4 and C5 on this circuit. In sum, if you correct for those factors, the Merc and Ferrari performances we are seeing right now are virtually identical.
The caveat being, there are still many variables beyond that. But those are easy to account for. You can tell the top 3 aren’t showing anywhere near their full hand when a Haas is fastest lol.
Isn't it due to the issue they have with porpoising? Saw a post that they can't go past a certain speed without it getting extremely bad, hence the "turn down the wick" on the straights
Whoever posted what you saw was very wrong in that instance. Not even remotely responsible for what is seen in the traces lol.
I know the account you’re referring to. It’s decent at gathering the data but poor at interpreting it.
All you have to do is look at testing last year, vs the first race. The team analyzed all the data, and came up with fixes to much bigger problems.Dee wrote: ↑12 Mar 2022, 06:34“You can see on the onboards we’re getting tank-slappers left, right and centre,” said Hamilton, “then bouncing and bumping. So, not quite happy at the moment but we’re trying to tame it…
Now, Merc could be pulling a blinder and actively not putting up their power but maybe, just maybe, they have to deal with their issues before they can go full beans
But this year is not last year, this year is completely new. Last year Merc had 7 years of general experience about their car to comfortably detune their engine and then get the expected performance when turned up.dans79 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2022, 06:42All you have to do is look at testing last year, vs the first race.Dee wrote: ↑12 Mar 2022, 06:34“You can see on the onboards we’re getting tank-slappers left, right and centre,” said Hamilton, “then bouncing and bumping. So, not quite happy at the moment but we’re trying to tame it…
Now, Merc could be pulling a blinder and actively not putting up their power but maybe, just maybe, they have to deal with their issues before they can go full beans
Sorry, you edited your comment while I was typing mine and I did not see the extra bits.dans79 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2022, 06:42All you have to do is look at testing last year, vs the first race. The team analyzed all the data, and came up with fixes to much bigger problems.Dee wrote: ↑12 Mar 2022, 06:34“You can see on the onboards we’re getting tank-slappers left, right and centre,” said Hamilton, “then bouncing and bumping. So, not quite happy at the moment but we’re trying to tame it…
Now, Merc could be pulling a blinder and actively not putting up their power but maybe, just maybe, they have to deal with their issues before they can go full beans
I'd be willing to be a lot of the proposing is related to the floor flexing, and the the floor that's currently being run was produced prior to the barcelona test.
That’s not possible: Merc in Barcelona had lasagna floor and now they don’t so that floor is new for Bahrain. I wouldn’t know what they have to gain to avoid testing a new floor to fix porpoising, I would bet they will have a new floor tomorrow. Ferrari tested 5 different floors in 2 tests, 4 new floors in the last 2 days of testing. Porpoising is clearly not practical to test in the wind tunnel so track testing is the best way.dans79 wrote:All you have to do is look at testing last year, vs the first race. The team analyzed all the data, and came up with fixes to much bigger problems.Dee wrote: ↑12 Mar 2022, 06:34“You can see on the onboards we’re getting tank-slappers left, right and centre,” said Hamilton, “then bouncing and bumping. So, not quite happy at the moment but we’re trying to tame it…
Now, Merc could be pulling a blinder and actively not putting up their power but maybe, just maybe, they have to deal with their issues before they can go full beans
I'd be willing to be a lot of the proposing is related to the floor flexing, and the the floor that's currently being run was produced prior to the barcelona test.
I don't think they are reducing speed on the straits because of porpoising. They just aren't pushing the PU any harder than they need to, for their testing regime. I also don't think the porpoising is some kind of boogie man thing they can't fix. throughout testing pretty much all of the teams have had it off and on, depending on what ride height and suspension set-up they used for any given stint.Dee wrote: ↑12 Mar 2022, 07:00Sorry, you edited your comment while I was typing mine and I did not see the extra bits.
Are you agreeing that Merc are lowering their speed on the straights to come up with a fix for the porpoising so they have a new floor they can run at higher speeds without all the issues?
I'm well aware the floors are different between Barcelona & Bahrain. What I'm saying is both specs where most likely produced prior to the Barcelona test. Merc didn't do all of the following in under 2 weeks.dialtone wrote: ↑12 Mar 2022, 07:02That’s not possible: Merc in Barcelona had lasagna floor and now they don’t so that floor is new for Bahrain. I wouldn’t know what they have to gain to avoid testing a new floor to fix porpoising, I would bet they will have a new floor tomorrow. Ferrari tested 5 different floors in 2 tests, 4 new floors in the last 2 days of testing. Porpoising is clearly not practical to test in the wind tunnel so track testing is the best way.
How many times a team can go through the upgrade cycle during the season is limited either by the speed with which parts can be designed, or the pace at which they can be manufactured. Sometimes, says Chester, it can be a mixture of the two.
“It really depends on which parts you’re making,” he says. “For something like a front wing, it’s a team of designers working flat-out on it for four to six weeks after it’s come out of the wind tunnel. Then it goes into production and they’ll be flat-out as well. However good your resources are, you’re always left thinking: ‘if I had a bit more, I could do it quicker'.
“We try to be a little bit careful about not attempting to do too many things at the same time. There’s always the potential to try to juggle too much and not actually get anything to the track for the target race.”
I guarantee you Ferrari didn't develop and build the floor in 2 weeks!