FIA Thread

[izzy]

Total population of Netherlands is just 17.5 million, and most of them already attend races with Max.

Yes I know But it's a change, it sets up 2022, etc etc. Everyone who makes money from F1 reach wanted Max. This year I think they'd prefer Charles, but last year it was either old or new wasn't it .

[AeroDynamic]

Will the champions unethical driving techniques be gone along with Masi in the future? conversations between drivers behind the scenes are still ongoing according to Norris. But after Jeddah, one thinks someone will bring the racing closer to the rules again and abandon the 'let them race' get out of jail free card they handed max a hand full of last season:

F1 drivers share the track with 19 other competitive individuals. And at the front, the intensity is at another level.

Norris admits he's not sure how he would deal with a rival who drives as aggressively as Verstappen did against Hamilton at times last year.

Lewis Hamilton and Max Verstappen's title battle was decided at a controversial season finale in Abu Dhabi last season
"It's a different battle because of how Max races," Norris says. "It's a different breed of drivers. You saw how he drove and changed when it came down to those final races, with aggression.

"It's maybe something you don't experience so much in the midfield because you're not going for a World Championship, or some of the drivers don't have that mentality of risking everything."

Would Norris do that?

"It's difficult," he says. "You would try and play smart as much as you can. There are things you would definitely try and outsmart your team-mate on. But I'm also a fair racer and, I don't know, maybe don't push the limits quite as much in certain areas."

Last year, Verstappen's driving was at the centre of controversy as drivers sought clarity from race officials as to what was allowed in wheel-to-wheel racing after a number of incidents in which he seemed to push a rival off the track but did not always receive punishment.

Norris says the issue has been discussed between the drivers and governing body the FIA over the winter. The process is ongoing, he says, but there is only so much he can say because the meetings are private.

"There's a big push towards having clarity," Norris says. "Everyone's talking about it. Between us as drivers we want clarity and consistency, and the FIA want the same. So there is quite a big push on that."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/60787175

[NicoS]

shame, I'm sorry man

[Stu]

Yes, they haven't changed anything really have they. "Any car" means exactly the same as "all cars" in that context. They can't change 15.3 without admitting the stewards totally faked their dodgy interpretation of it and were wrong.

They replaced the word any with all.

"all cars that have been lapped" means all cars not some of the cars.

Any means all the cars too. Its ridiculous that anyone can read 'any' as 'some'. If any was to mean some, then it would be worded 'any number'

Do you have any spare change?

[diffuser]

Any means all the cars too. Its ridiculous that anyone can read 'any' as 'some'. If any was to mean some, then it would be worded 'any number'

You pay me enough, I can interpret All to mean some too ! ROFL.

Hope they Payed Masi enough to retire on.

I think he could have retired before the last race of 2021, see Silverstone. Had he done is job then we wouldn't be here discussing AD

Hard to have these conversations when people like you don't know the facts. Five Stewards made the Call at Silverstone. Masi had nothing to do with it.

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... r%2033.pdf

[NathanOlder]

They replaced the word any with all.

"all cars that have been lapped" means all cars not some of the cars.

Any means all the cars too. Its ridiculous that anyone can read 'any' as 'some'. If any was to mean some, then it would be worded 'any number'

Do you have any spare change?

Still means all my spare change. If you asked me "any spare change" and I gave you £1.35 then that was all my spare change. The rest of the coins were not spare change.

[AeroDynamic]

lol yeah.. "can I have any (all) cash you don't need or want" ..

[KeiKo403]

They replaced the word any with all.

"all cars that have been lapped" means all cars not some of the cars.

Any means all the cars too. Its ridiculous that anyone can read 'any' as 'some'. If any was to mean some, then it would be worded 'any number'

Do you have any spare change?

Spam is not tolerated under any circumstance.

As a mod, how do you apply this rule?

[NicoS]

Any means all the cars too. Its ridiculous that anyone can read 'any' as 'some'. If any was to mean some, then it would be worded 'any number'

Do you have any spare change?

Spam is not tolerated under any circumstance.

As a mod, how do you apply this rule?

any persons guess.

[izzy]

They replaced the word any with all.

"all cars that have been lapped" means all cars not some of the cars.

Any means all the cars too. Its ridiculous that anyone can read 'any' as 'some'. If any was to mean some, then it would be worded 'any number'

Do you have any spare change?

Put any spare change on the table

It's context, what happens to things in the category. "Any lapped cars must unlap" doesn't allow any cars not to unlap does it? It wasn't saying "are there any lapped cars?" It was a feeble try by Red Bull and didn't fly at all. Even the stewards didn't use it.

The whole thing is an example of how the human mind is so approximate, even more the aftermath, and how almost nobody acknowledges MM's original decision was perfect then got changed, and what his motive was. It just gets blanked.

[NicoS]

Red bull absolutly right:

Use any for a specific instance of a group, any kid, any bus, any car, any word, any answer, and use all to mention every instance of a collection.
"I want any of the food on the table", makes me picky.
"I want all of the food on the table", makes me greedy.

"All" means every one of the available choices. "Any" means some subset of the available choices. Depending on context, it may mean just one, or it could mean that more than one is allowed.

"I'll take all of the candy in that box." If there are 30 pieces of candy in the box, then I want 30 pieces.
"I'll take any of the candy in that box." If there are 30 pieces of candy in the box, then I don't care which you give me, you pick one.

All cars on the parking lot means, every single car. No car is being excluded.
Any car on the parking lot means, any specific car on the parking lot, but not every single one of them.

[KeiKo403]

Red bull absolutly right:

Use any for a specific instance of a group, any kid, any bus, any car, any word, any answer, and use all to mention every instance of a collection.
"I want any of the food on the table", makes me picky.
"I want all of the food on the table", makes me greedy.

"All" means every one of the available choices. "Any" means some subset of the available choices. Depending on context, it may mean just one, or it could mean that more than one is allowed.

"I'll take all of the candy in that box." If there are 30 pieces of candy in the box, then I want 30 pieces.
"I'll take any of the candy in that box." If there are 30 pieces of candy in the box, then I don't care which you give me, you pick one.

All cars on the parking lot means, every single car. No car is being excluded.
Any car on the parking lot means, any specific car on the parking lot, but not every single one of them.

Children


You must make sure that any children in the vehicle you’re driving are:

in the correct car seat for their height or weight until they reach 135 centimetres tall or their 12th birthday, whichever is first
wearing a seat belt if they’re 12 or 13 years old, or younger and over 135cm tall
You can be fined up to £500 if a child under 14 isn’t in the correct car seat or wearing a seat belt while you’re driving.

If you live in England good luck getting caught and trying to avoid a fine based on ‘any’ not applying to you.

[AeroDynamic]

lols..

let's dismiss this nonsense very quickly about the any vs all. Let's take the official line from the FIA regarding article 48.12 (Removing lapped cars) –

that although article 48.12 may not have been applied fully.. 48.13 overrides that

they did not use the bs the boys in red-blue cooked up as an argument. They conceded this regulation wasn't fully applied. They justified it by arguing article 48.13 overrides it.

if this nonsense had any merit whatsoever, they would simply cut and paste red bulls answer. Not clarify the rule months later by changing the word from 'any' to 'all'.

and certainly Masi would've not argued the reason why the racing remained under SC in Germany the year before, was because all lapped cars must unlap.

There's a requirement in the sporting regulations to wave all the lapped cars past.

– Michael Masi, Eifel GP 2020

[NathanOlder]

Red bull absolutly right:

Use any for a specific instance of a group, any kid, any bus, any car, any word, any answer, and use all to mention every instance of a collection.
"I want any of the food on the table", makes me picky.
"I want all of the food on the table", makes me greedy.

"All" means every one of the available choices. "Any" means some subset of the available choices. Depending on context, it may mean just one, or it could mean that more than one is allowed.

"I'll take all of the candy in that box." If there are 30 pieces of candy in the box, then I want 30 pieces.
"I'll take any of the candy in that box." If there are 30 pieces of candy in the box, then I don't care which you give me, you pick one.

All cars on the parking lot means, every single car. No car is being excluded.
Any car on the parking lot means, any specific car on the parking lot, but not every single one of them.

So if the owner of this site was to say, any user on this forum with a user name beginning with the letter N is banned for life. Do you think it doesn't apply to you or I ? Or do we get banned ? Simple simple question, please just answer the question.

[NicoS]

Some times "any" is used for the meaning of "any" and not "exist" or "all". For example, in the definition of the little o asymptotic notation we have:

o(g(n)) = { f(n): for any positive constant c>0, there exists a constant n0>0 such that 0≤f(n)<cg(n) for all n≥n0 }

Here "any" means "any" which is two things "there exists" and "for all" how??

If you take any as "for all c" then the meaning is wrong because n0>0 is attached to some choice of c and for each c there may be a different n0>0. And you can not find a fixed n0 for all c that satisfies the remaining because c can go very close to zero like c=0.000....00001

If you take any as "there exist c" then the meaning is wrong also because for some c the remaining may apply but for another c the remaining may not apply.
Example: let f(n)=n and g(n)=2n:
If c=1 then n<1×(2n) for n≥n0>0
But if c=0.1 then n>0.1×(2n) for all n≥n0>0

So here "any" means "any" which is for all but one at a time , so in the little o asymptotic notation "any" means for all c>0 pick one at a time and the remaining should be satisfied.

Conclusion: Either do not use "any" or explain what it means in your context.