Alpine A522

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diffuser wrote:
17 Mar 2022, 18:14
Nice shot with the roll hoop off....


https://twitter.com/PhoenixSTK19/status ... 93/photo/1
I think you can see the air filter in this one. I assume the center-lower inlet goes to the compressor.
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AR3-GP wrote:
17 Mar 2022, 21:25
diffuser wrote:
17 Mar 2022, 18:14
Nice shot with the roll hoop off....


https://twitter.com/PhoenixSTK19/status ... 93/photo/1
I think you can see the air filter in this one. I assume the center-lower inlet goes to the compressor.
viewtopic.php?p=1038120#p1038120 8)

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Blackout wrote:
17 Mar 2022, 21:29
AR3-GP wrote:
17 Mar 2022, 21:25
diffuser wrote:
17 Mar 2022, 18:14
Nice shot with the roll hoop off....


https://twitter.com/PhoenixSTK19/status ... 93/photo/1
I think you can see the air filter in this one. I assume the center-lower inlet goes to the compressor.
viewtopic.php?p=1038120#p1038120 8)
Spot on I would say. This split turbo allows very impressive packaging. It's really incredible how short and compact the intake tract is from inlet to plenum. As Rossi said, more mass can be located closer to the center of mass (good for polar moment of inertia). Shorter ductwork and fewer pumping losses. In comparison to the Mclaren which still has sidepod air-air intercoolers, this looks so much more efficient.
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Blackout wrote:
17 Mar 2022, 20:45
Maybe the aim of that fence is also to squeeze airflow there with the bulbous hot air outlet, like a venturi tunnel, and gain 2 seconds per lap
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https://i.imgur.com/JQ6ORGe.jpg
Could be to shield front tyre wake imo

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Blackout wrote:
17 Mar 2022, 20:45
Maybe the aim of that fence is also to squeeze airflow there with the bulbous hot air outlet, like a venturi tunnel, and gain 2 seconds per lap
viewtopic.php?p=1039821#p1039821
https://i.imgur.com/JQ6ORGe.jpg
Think you have this black arrow air flow that comes down from between the halo and the roll hoop. That the fence holds in. is that what you're talking about ?

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Blackout wrote:
17 Mar 2022, 21:29
AR3-GP wrote:
17 Mar 2022, 21:25
diffuser wrote:
17 Mar 2022, 18:14
Nice shot with the roll hoop off....


https://twitter.com/PhoenixSTK19/status ... 93/photo/1
I think you can see the air filter in this one. I assume the center-lower inlet goes to the compressor.
viewtopic.php?p=1038120#p1038120 8)

Very nice!

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peewon wrote:
16 Mar 2022, 03:59
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16 Mar 2022, 03:21
AR3-GP wrote:
16 Mar 2022, 01:37


I don't know they were closed the entire time, but they appear to have a configuration where they were closed.
Well, they obviously didn't need it. So why would they have double the cooling than they need?

Hopefully it has to do with a major sidepod change.
My very amateurish impression of A522 has been that Alpine has hedged its bets on design concepts (side pods, cooling systems, etc) and tried to leave themselves with opportunity to pivot once more definitive optimal solutions emerge with time. Perhaps influenced by their lack of flexibility towards the latter years of previous regulations to make drastic changes.
IIRC, Pat Fry said as much.
“I strongly expect there to be many differences between the cars, especially at first when we see for the very first time how we’ve all interpreted the rule book,” he concluded. “Some parts are fairly set such as the rear wing and the front wing.

“I’m sure there will be some interesting concepts that we’ll see from other teams, which we’ll assess back at base after the tests and, equally, that will work vice versa. The intrigue is all part of the excitement when you roll out of the garage for the first time at testing
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What the last couple of years showed was that Enstone doesn't have the ability to come up with good original, world beating aero concepts imo. If Pat Fry just wants to start copying other teams and seeing if Enstone can just make a good idea work even better, then that sounds like a better usage of the current resources. Enstone won't be churning out world beating concepts of their own originality in it's current guise. Not without someone like Newey or the aero gurus at Mercedes and Ferrari.
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diffuser wrote:
17 Mar 2022, 17:54
Here you go, the side pod in all it's glory.

https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... ide-1.webp

What's up everyone. Been a while.

Can someone shed light one why they may have gone with what looks to be a short diffusor mouth? A lot of the other cars seem to extend it very close to the bargeboards/ tunnel mouth and some, like the Merc seem to completely connect it. Why is the Alpine one short?

Thanks

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AR3-GP wrote:
18 Mar 2022, 05:35
What the last couple of years showed was that Enstone doesn't have the ability to come up with good original, world beating aero concepts imo. If Pat Fry just wants to start copying other teams and seeing if Enstone can just make a good idea work even better, then that sounds like a better usage of the current resources. Enstone won't be churning out world beating concepts of their own originality in it's current guise. Not without someone like Newey or the aero gurus at Mercedes and Ferrari.
You don't think what they have they came up with themselves ?

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diffuser wrote:
18 Mar 2022, 00:15
Blackout wrote:
17 Mar 2022, 20:45
Maybe the aim of that fence is also to squeeze airflow there with the bulbous hot air outlet, like a venturi tunnel, and gain 2 seconds per lap
viewtopic.php?p=1039821#p1039821
https://i.imgur.com/JQ6ORGe.jpg
Think you have this black arrow air flow that comes down from between the halo and the roll hoop. That the fence holds in. is that what you're talking about ?

https://i.ibb.co/9bV9bVW/FOEq-AKd-XEA47-Wjd.jpg
Yes and it forms a bottleneck now with the bulbous hot air exit
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Still pretty amazing when you consider the PU from last year was the most voluminous, that this year they are likely challenging for the tightest. They have the smallest rads around.

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Cool view of the internals on track (Ocon's car, FP1 Bahrain)