There are no such reports, that's just a quote by Russell, who also said their issue might get sorted this afternoon. His predictions don't mean much.fritticaldi wrote: ↑19 Mar 2022, 01:16There are reports the problem could take 5 months to fix. https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/arti ... t-up-issue
I don't know you can say that centre of mass has nothing to do with aerodynamics when the issue being solved is porpoisingPlatinumZealot wrote: ↑19 Mar 2022, 01:42Nothing is wrong with the centre of mass of the car.
Shovlin said it's the porpoising and the balance. Meaning aerodynamic problems.
Mercedes if anything, has the best packaging on the grid. It would be the easiest thing to test mass balance by adding weights in the front wing, in the bib, in the plank etc.
No there aren't. There's a driver using an English exaggeration idiom for effect.fritticaldi wrote: ↑19 Mar 2022, 01:16There are reports the problem could take 5 months to fix. https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/arti ... t-up-issue
I honestly think that there is a "grey goose" in what Merc is saying. I think that they are experiencing the issue far more than the other teams because they are making far more downforce. I'm assuming based on the car's behavior relative to the others, their downforce is not capable of being solved by floor detail without loosing to much downforce. They are most likely doing what Scarbs said. They can probably mitigate the issue now but are pushing resources towards making a new suspension.fritticaldi wrote: ↑19 Mar 2022, 00:45The car shakes so bad (Its by far the worst of the lot) that its likely Hamilton & Russell will have back problems or Neck problems. Physically too demanding. Another scenario : Maybe they wont be able to complete the race. There is onboard video footage and you see the drivers helmets bobbling like crazy.
If it's too much downforce, could less aggressive wings be the answer? That would also give less drag meaning a slippery car. A possible double win.ltitus8900 wrote: ↑19 Mar 2022, 02:18I honestly think that there is a "grey goose" in what Merc is saying. I think that they are experiencing the issue far more than the other teams because they are making far more downforce. I'm assuming based on the car's behavior relative to the others, their downforce is not capable of being solved by floor detail without loosing to much downforce. They are most likely doing what Scarbs said. They can probably mitigate the issue now but are pushing resources towards making a new suspension.fritticaldi wrote: ↑19 Mar 2022, 00:45The car shakes so bad (Its by far the worst of the lot) that its likely Hamilton & Russell will have back problems or Neck problems. Physically too demanding. Another scenario : Maybe they wont be able to complete the race. There is onboard video footage and you see the drivers helmets bobbling like crazy.
So though they have no quick fix, they will more than make up for it once the suspension arrives. I am current building a model in blender to run through CFD. I will post some images if I like the results.
I very much doubt it's too much downforce for a few reasons:Just_a_fan wrote: ↑19 Mar 2022, 02:22If it's too much downforce, could less aggressive wings be the answer? That would also give less drag meaning a slippery car. A possible double win.ltitus8900 wrote: ↑19 Mar 2022, 02:18I honestly think that there is a "grey goose" in what Merc is saying. I think that they are experiencing the issue far more than the other teams because they are making far more downforce. I'm assuming based on the car's behavior relative to the others, their downforce is not capable of being solved by floor detail without loosing to much downforce. They are most likely doing what Scarbs said. They can probably mitigate the issue now but are pushing resources towards making a new suspension.fritticaldi wrote: ↑19 Mar 2022, 00:45The car shakes so bad (Its by far the worst of the lot) that its likely Hamilton & Russell will have back problems or Neck problems. Physically too demanding. Another scenario : Maybe they wont be able to complete the race. There is onboard video footage and you see the drivers helmets bobbling like crazy.
So though they have no quick fix, they will more than make up for it once the suspension arrives. I am current building a model in blender to run through CFD. I will post some images if I like the results.
Specsavers or Zenni? Which one do you like? Gonna send you a pair.Dee wrote: ↑19 Mar 2022, 01:50I don't know you can say that centre of mass has nothing to do with aerodynamics when the issue being solved is porpoisingPlatinumZealot wrote: ↑19 Mar 2022, 01:42Nothing is wrong with the centre of mass of the car.
Shovlin said it's the porpoising and the balance. Meaning aerodynamic problems.
Mercedes if anything, has the best packaging on the grid. It would be the easiest thing to test mass balance by adding weights in the front wing, in the bib, in the plank etc.
I think we don't understand the full nature of Mercedes porpoising.Dee wrote: ↑19 Mar 2022, 01:50I don't know you can say that centre of mass has nothing to do with aerodynamics when the issue being solved is porpoisingPlatinumZealot wrote: ↑19 Mar 2022, 01:42Nothing is wrong with the centre of mass of the car.
Shovlin said it's the porpoising and the balance. Meaning aerodynamic problems.
Mercedes if anything, has the best packaging on the grid. It would be the easiest thing to test mass balance by adding weights in the front wing, in the bib, in the plank etc.
I think it's purely floor driven. People like to make a big deal about the center of mass on F1 cars, but it really doesn't very that much from what I've seen, and definitely not enough to cause the type of issue we have seen through testing!AR3-GP wrote: ↑19 Mar 2022, 04:35I think we don't understand the full nature of Mercedes porpoising.Dee wrote: ↑19 Mar 2022, 01:50I don't know you can say that centre of mass has nothing to do with aerodynamics when the issue being solved is porpoisingPlatinumZealot wrote: ↑19 Mar 2022, 01:42Nothing is wrong with the centre of mass of the car.
Shovlin said it's the porpoising and the balance. Meaning aerodynamic problems.
Mercedes if anything, has the best packaging on the grid. It would be the easiest thing to test mass balance by adding weights in the front wing, in the bib, in the plank etc.
If it is a pure heave porpoising, then the center of mass doesn't matter. If there is a pitching component in the porpoising, then center of mass will change the pitching dynamics, but the fundamental origin of the porpoising is the floor stalling, not the center of mass. It would porpoise even if the center of mass was on the skidblock.