2022 Bahrain Grand Prix - Sakhir, March 18 - 20

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Re: 2022 Bahrain Grand Prix - Sakhir, March 18 - 20

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PlatinumZealot wrote:
19 Mar 2022, 04:03
grubschumi13 wrote:
19 Mar 2022, 02:12
Mercedes and RBR seem equal in speed at this point. Seems Max however is able to get more from the car.
Yeah. No. That RedBull should be behind the Williams actually.
Just one of them to be exact… :D :roll:

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Merc engines will turn the wick up later so it should bunch up, expect for maybe the Williams which is such a poor car laking so much downforce.
Points are given in race and with the Merc bouncing down the straight, expect them to not finish.

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This here gives an fair idea about the engine modes different cars are using. So I have set the order based on the engine modes and the laptimes.

1. Teams are analyzing which tyre to start on. So they have split the running with each driver trying different compound. I guess they have similar fuel loads on both cars.
2. Red Bull - Verstappen using highest engine mode than anyone else.
3. Ferrari - Only Sainz did a bit of long run. He was also using a conservative engine mode. Refer to Bottas' Alfa for the engine mode he was using.
4. Mercedes - Hamilton using the most conservative engine mode, while Russell is using slightly more powerful. Refer to the Williams car using much higher engine mode, which gives a fair idea about how much Mercedes is holding back.

In my opinion, all three are on the same level when engine modes are normalized!

Below that:
5. Alpine
6. Alfa Romeo
7. Haas
8. Alpha Tauri
9. McLaren
10. Williams.

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silver wrote:
19 Mar 2022, 10:32
2. Red Bull - Verstappen using highest engine mode than anyone else.
3. Ferrari - Only Sainz did a bit of long run. He was also using a conservative engine mode. Refer to Bottas' Alfa for the engine mode he was using.
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That's not correct.

AMuS: https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... un-zeiten/
In der Zeitentabelle sieht es zwischen einem engen Rennen zwischen Red Bull und Ferrari aus. Bereinigt um den Power-Modus und den Tankinhalt ist der Vorteil von Max Verstappen größer. Mercedes kämpft noch mit den Tücken des Bouncings.
Michael Schmidt
18.03.2022

Red Bull gegen Ferrari. Das war das Fazit nach den Testfahrten. Dieses Bild setzte sich auch am ersten Trainingstag zum GP Bahrain fort. Allerdings ist der Vorsprung von Max Verstappen größer als er in der Zeitentabelle aussieht. Nach Messungen der Teams hat Red Bull mehr Reserven bei der Motor-Power und dem Tankinhalt.
In the timetable it looks between a close race between Red Bull and Ferrari. Adjusted for power mode and tank capacity, Max Verstappen's advantage is greater. Mercedes is still struggling with the pitfalls of bouncing.
Michael Smith
03/18/2022

Red Bull vs Ferrari. That was the conclusion after the test drives. This picture continued on the first day of practice for the Bahrain GP. However, Max Verstappen's lead is larger than it appears in the time table.
According to team measurements, Red Bull has more reserves in terms of engine power and tank capacity.
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Wouter wrote:
19 Mar 2022, 11:11
silver wrote:
19 Mar 2022, 10:32
2. Red Bull - Verstappen using highest engine mode than anyone else.
3. Ferrari - Only Sainz did a bit of long run. He was also using a conservative engine mode. Refer to Bottas' Alfa for the engine mode he was using.
.
That's not correct.

AMuS: https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... un-zeiten/
In der Zeitentabelle sieht es zwischen einem engen Rennen zwischen Red Bull und Ferrari aus. Bereinigt um den Power-Modus und den Tankinhalt ist der Vorteil von Max Verstappen größer. Mercedes kämpft noch mit den Tücken des Bouncings.
Michael Schmidt
18.03.2022

Red Bull gegen Ferrari. Das war das Fazit nach den Testfahrten. Dieses Bild setzte sich auch am ersten Trainingstag zum GP Bahrain fort. Allerdings ist der Vorsprung von Max Verstappen größer als er in der Zeitentabelle aussieht. Nach Messungen der Teams hat Red Bull mehr Reserven bei der Motor-Power und dem Tankinhalt.
In the timetable it looks between a close race between Red Bull and Ferrari. Adjusted for power mode and tank capacity, Max Verstappen's advantage is greater. Mercedes is still struggling with the pitfalls of bouncing.
Michael Smith
03/18/2022

Red Bull vs Ferrari. That was the conclusion after the test drives. This picture continued on the first day of practice for the Bahrain GP. However, Max Verstappen's lead is larger than it appears in the time table.
According to team measurements, Red Bull has more reserves in terms of engine power and tank capacity.
I may be wrong. I only looked at lap times, speed trap figures and deduced what I did. It's a novel exercise. :) Nothing against any team.

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Wouter wrote:
19 Mar 2022, 11:11
According to team measurements, Red Bull has more reserves in terms of engine power and tank capacity.
We'll know soon enough. Somehow I doubt it.

In the meantime some laps:

Ver fp2 lap 1.31.936
https://streamable.com/fzf6b0


Rus fp2 lap 1.32.529
https://streamable.com/zm7brd

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Mchamilton wrote:
19 Mar 2022, 12:11
grubschumi13 wrote:
19 Mar 2022, 02:12
Mercedes and RBR seem equal in speed at this point. Seems Max however is able to get more from the car.
Are you real? What a stupid comment to make, gets Max' cock out your mouth and come back to reality lol
You know, you can leave people post stupid comments without responding in a disgusting way. Out of these two posts, I know which one brings down this forum completely

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Mercedes and Redbull’s second straight max speeds seems pretty close. I think Mercedes using some sort of speed limitor at main straight to keep it around 305km/s

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Mchamilton wrote:
19 Mar 2022, 12:11
grubschumi13 wrote:
19 Mar 2022, 02:12
Mercedes and RBR seem equal in speed at this point. Seems Max however is able to get more from the car.
Are you real? What a stupid comment to make, gets Max' cock out your mouth and come back to reality lol
This is disgusting of a comment & is basically a malicious online attack.

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Juzh wrote:
19 Mar 2022, 11:59
Wouter wrote:
19 Mar 2022, 11:11
According to team measurements, Red Bull has more reserves in terms of engine power and tank capacity.
We'll know soon enough. Somehow I doubt it.
I also doubt it. Max had a clearly higher top speed and that was supposed to be with less powerful engine mode on top of having more fuel?

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Mchamilton wrote:
19 Mar 2022, 12:11
grubschumi13 wrote:
19 Mar 2022, 02:12
Mercedes and RBR seem equal in speed at this point. Seems Max however is able to get more from the car.
Are you real? What a stupid comment to make, gets Max' cock out your mouth and come back to reality lol
The car enables Max to get more from it. Is that ok?

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All is crap, we will have to wait till the final minutes of todays sessions to get a glimpse of the true performance.

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LM10 wrote:
19 Mar 2022, 12:45
Juzh wrote:
19 Mar 2022, 11:59
Wouter wrote:
19 Mar 2022, 11:11
According to team measurements, Red Bull has more reserves in terms of engine power and tank capacity.
We'll know soon enough. Somehow I doubt it.
I also doubt it. Max had a clearly higher top speed and that was supposed to be with less powerful engine mode on top of having more fuel?
Max's highest speed in testing was 326/7kph

His highest speed yesterday was 313kph

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NL_Fer wrote:
19 Mar 2022, 13:03
All is crap, we will have to wait till the final minutes of todays sessions to get a glimpse of the true performance.
Even then we will not know much about energy recovery and deployment and if the same mode used can be run for a whole race distance
When arguing with a fool, be sure the other person is not doing the same thing.

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Big Tea wrote:
19 Mar 2022, 13:10
NL_Fer wrote:
19 Mar 2022, 13:03
All is crap, we will have to wait till the final minutes of todays sessions to get a glimpse of the true performance.
Even then we will not know much about energy recovery and deployment and if the same mode used can be run for a whole race distance
It will have to be the same engine mode. They cant be changed between quali and race day. Once they leave the pits in Q1 - that spec of car is locked in
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.