Doesn't make sense for Merc engines to have dropped the ball this badly.
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Charles Leclerc won the Bahrain Grand Prix, leading it from start to finish. Though Verstappen was his closest challenger, a late technical retirement allowed Sainz to make it a brilliant 1-2 finish for Ferrari. Lewis Hamilton joins the podium in third place.
Doesn't make sense for Merc engines to have dropped the ball this badly.
Slightly shorter gearing on Ferrari cars if you ask me. And a bit more downforce from the wings compared to RB.Vanja #66 wrote: ↑19 Mar 2022, 19:34Thanks a lot, not a lot between those two drivers. And cars! Just slightly different on acc and top speed. In my view, Honda has more power, but only slightly, 10-15HP tops. Not a big differentiator. Merc might be 3rd on power now, but only just. Its too close to make a huge difference, maybe now drivers can compete on merit again.
Latifi got a good tow from Magnussen, when he was on his first flying lap in Q1. Second time when Latifi ran in Q1, he was only 314. Similarly, Lewis got a tow from Russel when he did 315. That was one observation.
I remember they said they've already recovered lost performance from E10 fuel, did everyone else make huge gains from their 'new' PUs and Mercedes are at the limit of their PU concept?f1jcw wrote:Doesn't make sense for Merc engines to have dropped the ball this badly.
I thought they had changed their conceptlh13 wrote: ↑19 Mar 2022, 19:50I remember they said they've already recovered lost performance from E10 fuel, did everyone else make huge gains from their 'new' PUs and Mercedes are at the limit of their PU concept?f1jcw wrote:Doesn't make sense for Merc engines to have dropped the ball this badly.
Honestly, I disagree. It's the other way around, but 10 HP tops. Red bull is clearly running with less downforce, either by choice or not and that's making them look better. Ferrari is better in medium speed turn in and early acceleration up to around ~250-260 kmh, especially when laterally loaded (T11-T13). I've been watching mini sectors trough the qualifying and ferrari was consistently posting purples on most straights. This was the case in fp2 already. People were speculating then that red bull is holding back on power, but in reality they haven't (as I was suspecting).Vanja #66 wrote: ↑19 Mar 2022, 19:34Thanks a lot, not a lot between those two drivers. And cars! Just slightly different on acc and top speed. In my view, Honda has more power, but only slightly, 10-15HP tops. Not a big differentiator. Merc might be 3rd on power now, but only just. Its too close to make a huge difference, maybe now drivers can compete on merit again.Juzh wrote: ↑19 Mar 2022, 19:11From what I've seen RB is definitely fastest on top end by some margin but ferrari has best acceleration and I'm quite positive the most downforce as things stand today.
Hamilton had 313-314 kmh top speed on both his q3 runs, but he was somewhat close to Russell ahead and that certainly gave him something extra because Russel could barely hit 310 kmh with zero slipstream and was actually very slow on main straight. Maybe even different setups because speed difference is perhaps too significant.
I agree. Also looking at Alfa and Haas, they have been gaining in traction zones and up to ~280kph, so might be they dump more energy earlier on and then drop. Or a bit more drag, Alpine for sure ran less wing then Ferrari teams.Juzh wrote: ↑19 Mar 2022, 19:50Honestly, I disagree. It's the other way around, but 10 HP tops. Red bull is clearly running with less downforce, either by choice or not and that's making them look better. Ferrari is better in medium speed turn in and early acceleration up to around ~250-260 kmh, especially when laterally loaded (T11-T13). I've been watching mini sectors trough the qualifying and ferrari was consistently posting purples on most straights. This was the case in fp2 already. People were speculating then that red bull is holding back on power, but in reality they haven't (as I was suspecting).Vanja #66 wrote: ↑19 Mar 2022, 19:34Thanks a lot, not a lot between those two drivers. And cars! Just slightly different on acc and top speed. In my view, Honda has more power, but only slightly, 10-15HP tops. Not a big differentiator. Merc might be 3rd on power now, but only just. Its too close to make a huge difference, maybe now drivers can compete on merit again.Juzh wrote: ↑19 Mar 2022, 19:11From what I've seen RB is definitely fastest on top end by some margin but ferrari has best acceleration and I'm quite positive the most downforce as things stand today.
Hamilton had 313-314 kmh top speed on both his q3 runs, but he was somewhat close to Russell ahead and that certainly gave him something extra because Russel could barely hit 310 kmh with zero slipstream and was actually very slow on main straight. Maybe even different setups because speed difference is perhaps too significant.
Honda/Ferrari may be levelJuzh wrote: ↑19 Mar 2022, 19:50Honestly, I disagree. It's the other way around, but 10 HP tops. Red bull is clearly running with less downforce, either by choice or not and that's making them look better. Ferrari is better in medium speed turn in and early acceleration up to around ~250-260 kmh, especially when laterally loaded (T11-T13). I've been watching mini sectors trough the qualifying and ferrari was consistently posting purples on most straights. This was the case in fp2 already. People were speculating then that red bull is holding back on power, but in reality they haven't (as I was suspecting).Vanja #66 wrote: ↑19 Mar 2022, 19:34Thanks a lot, not a lot between those two drivers. And cars! Just slightly different on acc and top speed. In my view, Honda has more power, but only slightly, 10-15HP tops. Not a big differentiator. Merc might be 3rd on power now, but only just. Its too close to make a huge difference, maybe now drivers can compete on merit again.Juzh wrote: ↑19 Mar 2022, 19:11From what I've seen RB is definitely fastest on top end by some margin but ferrari has best acceleration and I'm quite positive the most downforce as things stand today.
Hamilton had 313-314 kmh top speed on both his q3 runs, but he was somewhat close to Russell ahead and that certainly gave him something extra because Russel could barely hit 310 kmh with zero slipstream and was actually very slow on main straight. Maybe even different setups because speed difference is perhaps too significant.
Binotto has said that according to their calculations Ferrari have equal or even the best engine nowJuzh wrote: ↑19 Mar 2022, 19:50Honestly, I disagree. It's the other way around, but 10 HP tops. Red bull is clearly running with less downforce, either by choice or not and that's making them look better. Ferrari is better in medium speed turn in and early acceleration up to around ~250-260 kmh, especially when laterally loaded (T11-T13). I've been watching mini sectors trough the qualifying and ferrari was consistently posting purples on most straights. This was the case in fp2 already. People were speculating then that red bull is holding back on power, but in reality they haven't (as I was suspecting).Vanja #66 wrote: ↑19 Mar 2022, 19:34Thanks a lot, not a lot between those two drivers. And cars! Just slightly different on acc and top speed. In my view, Honda has more power, but only slightly, 10-15HP tops. Not a big differentiator. Merc might be 3rd on power now, but only just. Its too close to make a huge difference, maybe now drivers can compete on merit again.Juzh wrote: ↑19 Mar 2022, 19:11From what I've seen RB is definitely fastest on top end by some margin but ferrari has best acceleration and I'm quite positive the most downforce as things stand today.
Hamilton had 313-314 kmh top speed on both his q3 runs, but he was somewhat close to Russell ahead and that certainly gave him something extra because Russel could barely hit 310 kmh with zero slipstream and was actually very slow on main straight. Maybe even different setups because speed difference is perhaps too significant.
That bug when they showed Russel purple while being .9 tenths slower in sector 1 had me all kinds of confused.
I don't understand why change things that are not broke.Sevach wrote: ↑19 Mar 2022, 19:56That bug when they showed Russel purple while being .9 tenths slower in sector 1 had me all kinds of confused.
They also were keeping the purple sign after someone would beat the sector time(i assume it just wasn't working correctly because it would be a significant downgrade otherwise).
I assumed most of what they changed was graphics and font, but apparently they got a whole new system that works much worst than the previous one.
There was multiple times a driver got purple (first run out) and the 2nd guy out was faster, but the 1st guys sector didnt drop to green to acknowledge he no longer had the fastest sector.shamyakovic wrote: ↑19 Mar 2022, 20:00It was purple because he was the first one to set a time in q3.
Yeah, I hope that is just a mistake and they don't really believe it's better..chrisc90 wrote: ↑19 Mar 2022, 20:04There was multiple times a driver got purple (first run out) and the 2nd guy out was faster, but the 1st guys sector didnt drop to green to acknowledge he no longer had the fastest sector.shamyakovic wrote: ↑19 Mar 2022, 20:00It was purple because he was the first one to set a time in q3.
Because the timing applications are garbage.chrisc90 wrote: ↑19 Mar 2022, 20:04There was multiple times a driver got purple (first run out) and the 2nd guy out was faster, but the 1st guys sector didnt drop to green to acknowledge he no longer had the fastest sector.shamyakovic wrote: ↑19 Mar 2022, 20:00It was purple because he was the first one to set a time in q3.