Ferrari F1-75

[mclaren111]

Newey still has a big effect I'm sure. That guy is a portable wind tunnel. He just stands in front of the car and stares at it for minutes, visualizing how the air flows.
Also, the fact that he literally still uses a pen and a paper, might be a kind of an advantage in times of limited CFD/wind tunnel/simulation/whatever times? Just some wild thought.

He has! Of course F1 is about teamwork. But if someone really believes that its a conicident that Williams stopped winning championships after Newey left and the team he went to(McLaren) suddenly started winning, he is wrong. The same with Brawn/Byrne. Benetton stopped fighting for titles, but the team they went to started winning titles...i could continue with Honda, Red Bull, Mercedes, but i do not think thats necessary. Of course the hours of work of lesser paygrade workers makes it possible, but its the technical management and leadership that makes the difference. They make all the things go in the right direction. They improve the teamwork, making sure everyone works in one direction, gets heard so that a "real team" develops and they decide where to go etc. If one calls that "developing a cult of personality" - fine. I can live with that. But its a fact that people like Newey, Brawn, Byrne, Costa, Allison(to name just a few) enjoyed such a sucess for a reason. And i do not think its wrong to give credit where credit is due. And i think as its not widely known that Rory Byrne had influence on the F1-75 - its just fair to emphasise that. And also that i do not think its a coincident that Ferrari suddenly is sucessfull again after Rory Byrne was involved in the design of a car...

I'm more firmly opposed to current cultural notion of burying individual brilliance under some shallow PR, and pretend it's the accomplishment of company, organizons, state, whatever. It also comes hand in had with the toxic, and out of touch with reality notions of egalitarianism.
IMO the world we live in was formed mainly by the accomplishments of brilliant individuals.

Spot On...

[Andi76]

Aero pipes? What the hell is that? I only see pipes with fluid in them. How a pipe would even function as an aeronautic device?

I am also wondering about ballast... if Ferrari can play around with ballast, that would either mean they are underweight or that the additional weight in this area is more beneficial in regards of laptime/car behavior than the weight penalty. I also wonder ballast to be placed at the front of the nosecone and not closer to the front suspension itself...and these pipes...what porpose do they have in that area of the car? I have no idea. Any thoughts?

[Stu]

Aero pipes? What the hell is that? I only see pipes with fluid in them. How a pipe would even function as an aeronautic device?

I am also wondering about ballast... if Ferrari can play around with ballast, that would either mean they are underweight or that the additional weight in this area is more beneficial in regards of laptime/car behavior than the weight penalty. I also wonder ballast to be placed at the front of the nosecone and not closer to the front suspension itself...and these pipes...what porpose do they have in that area of the car? I have no idea. Any thoughts?

They probably go to one of these
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On-board real-time aero measurements, weigh next to nothing & CAN linked for data-logging.
“PT” on the two visible labels may be pressure tube, pitot tube, or similar.
In spite of what been running in other threads about how cutting edge this is, Ferrari (at least) have been doing this for about four years now, they also have pressure taps in the top surface of the floor (and presumably in the underfloor) and rear wing underside.

[Starbuckle486]

Aero pipes? What the hell is that? I only see pipes with fluid in them. How a pipe would even function as an aeronautic device?

I am also wondering about ballast... if Ferrari can play around with ballast, that would either mean they are underweight or that the additional weight in this area is more beneficial in regards of laptime/car behavior than the weight penalty. I also wonder ballast to be placed at the front of the nosecone and not closer to the front suspension itself...and these pipes...what porpose do they have in that area of the car? I have no idea. Any thoughts?

Ballast doesn't automatically mean a car is under the total weight limit, it could also mean that the car is too heavy at the back and needs extra weight to pass the front/rear load test.

[wowgr8]

No proper sneak shots of the engine yet? I just have to know if it's a split turbo or not.

Would you be able to tell if it was split turbo if you saw an image?

[Henri]

Ferrari's sidepod design is genius it has less drag than Mercedes on the rear tyres

[Cuky]

Is its good? Or normal??

Since green LEDs just come on momentarily on the top left above the screen just as speed starts to increase I would hazard a guess that that happens as he opens the DRS. (as far as I have noticed this weekend green LEDs on = DRS available, green LEDs off = no DRS or DRS on, depending whether he is in DRS zone or not). Then, as he approaches top speed acceleration once again slows down.

[Vanja #66]

Ferrari's sidepod design is genius it has less drag than Mercedes on the rear tyres

It is genius and low drag, but not for the reasons they mention. Their explanation is extremely oversimplified and altogether very wrong.

[LM10]

Ferrari's sidepod design is genius it has less drag than Mercedes on the rear tyres

It is genius and low drag, but not for the reasons they mention. Their explanation is extremely oversimplified and altogether very wrong.

Thank you for mentioning too. As he has posted the same in the W13 thread I answered there. The funny thing is that they look at that blue part and explain drag to the rear tyre this way. But the reason there is more blue part on the Ferrari compared to RBR for example, is that is has a more inboard shaping of the cover around the gearbox. And that blue part lays in the section between the rear tyre and the suspension arms. So that does not contribute to rear tyre drag.
Same goes for Mercedes for that part. It has a coke-bottle area there so naturally the blue part will be bigger.

[Andi76]

Ferrari's sidepod design is genius it has less drag than Mercedes on the rear tyres

If things would be that easy, i think we all could be aerodynamicists. There are interactions , vorticies and all that is very in relation to drag. So with all respect to Mr. Scalabroni, but this is a little bit curious and definetely wrong way to explain drag on different areas of a car.

[vorticism]

What are the perforations for? (blue arrows)

Newey still has a big effect I'm sure. That guy is a portable wind tunnel. He just stands in front of the car and stares at it for minutes, visualizing how the air flows.
Also, the fact that he literally still uses a pen and a paper, might be a kind of an advantage in times of limited CFD/wind tunnel/simulation/whatever times? Just some wild thought.

He has! Of course F1 is about teamwork. But if someone really believes that its a conicident that Williams stopped winning championships after Newey left and the team he went to(McLaren) suddenly started winning, he is wrong. The same with Brawn/Byrne. Benetton stopped fighting for titles, but the team they went to started winning titles...i could continue with Honda, Red Bull, Mercedes, but i do not think thats necessary. Of course the hours of work of lesser paygrade workers makes it possible, but its the technical management and leadership that makes the difference. They make all the things go in the right direction. They improve the teamwork, making sure everyone works in one direction, gets heard so that a "real team" develops and they decide where to go etc. If one calls that "developing a cult of personality" - fine. I can live with that. But its a fact that people like Newey, Brawn, Byrne, Costa, Allison(to name just a few) enjoyed such a sucess for a reason. And i do not think its wrong to give credit where credit is due. And i think as its not widely known that Rory Byrne had influence on the F1-75 - its just fair to emphasise that. And also that i do not think its a coincident that Ferrari suddenly is sucessfull again after Rory Byrne was involved in the design of a car...

I'm more firmly opposed to current cultural notion of burying individual brilliance under some shallow PR, and pretend it's the accomplishment of company, organizons, state, whatever. It also comes hand in had with the toxic, and out of touch with reality notions of egalitarianism.
IMO the world we live in was formed mainly by the accomplishments of brilliant individuals.

A ship needs a captain. A good one. Whether that be in a town, a company, a family, a church, or a state. We suffer the loss of good captains in our modern days. Few if any of us have ever seen a meritorious or polymath head of state within living memory. That said, ultimately it is the crew which produces the next captain. The makeup of the team is also crucial.

That is to say, who is in the team. North America, for example, has never produced a competitive F1 team. South America has never produced a competitive F1 team. Africa has never produced a competitive F1 team. Japanese Honda had a few notable eras, yet by and large, Asia as well has never produced a competitive F1 team. Yet, Germany has. England has. Italy has. France has. This is perhaps to state the obvious, but it is the obvious which nowadays goes unspoken. Europe created F1 and all of the winning teams which competed within it. This European sport has for decades so enamored the world that half of its races now take place outside of Europe. Yes, an American could participate in F1. The greater question is why would they? Why would an African or an Asian want to pretend to be European? Why is the world seemingly obsessed with acting European? Obsessed even with living in Europe. Yet at the same time never admitting to the tendency.

Ferrari's sidepod design is genius it has less drag than Mercedes on the rear tyres

It is genius and low drag, but not for the reasons they mention. Their explanation is extremely oversimplified and altogether very wrong.

Can't we simplify it by saying that the coarse body shape defines the flow field around the midsection ahead of the rear tires? That's all the illustration is saying. Which may be accurate enough.

[mzso]

No proper sneak shots of the engine yet? I just have to know if it's a split turbo or not.

Would you be able to tell if it was split turbo if you saw an image?

Probably not, but experts could.

[Henri]

The car is a beast in traction zones.. it dropped the redbull with ease.. in heddah they should dominate

[Vanja #66]

Can't we simplify it by saying that the coarse body shape defines the flow field around the midsection ahead of the rear tires? That's all the illustration is saying. Which may be accurate enough.

Well everyone can say what they want, but this is simply very very wrong. Not oversimplified, dead wrong. F1 car airflow is not a simple 2D flow in every Z axis section, never was...

[S E C T I O]

Newey still has a big effect I'm sure. That guy is a portable wind tunnel. He just stands in front of the car and stares at it for minutes, visualizing how the air flows.
Also, the fact that he literally still uses a pen and a paper, might be a kind of an advantage in times of limited CFD/wind tunnel/simulation/whatever times? Just some wild thought.

He has! Of course F1 is about teamwork. But if someone really believes that its a conicident that Williams stopped winning championships after Newey left and the team he went to(McLaren) suddenly started winning, he is wrong. The same with Brawn/Byrne. Benetton stopped fighting for titles, but the team they went to started winning titles...i could continue with Honda, Red Bull, Mercedes, but i do not think thats necessary. Of course the hours of work of lesser paygrade workers makes it possible, but its the technical management and leadership that makes the difference. They make all the things go in the right direction. They improve the teamwork, making sure everyone works in one direction, gets heard so that a "real team" develops and they decide where to go etc. If one calls that "developing a cult of personality" - fine. I can live with that. But its a fact that people like Newey, Brawn, Byrne, Costa, Allison(to name just a few) enjoyed such a sucess for a reason. And i do not think its wrong to give credit where credit is due. And i think as its not widely known that Rory Byrne had influence on the F1-75 - its just fair to emphasise that. And also that i do not think its a coincident that Ferrari suddenly is sucessfull again after Rory Byrne was involved in the design of a car...

I'm more firmly opposed to current cultural notion of burying individual brilliance under some shallow PR, and pretend it's the accomplishment of company, organizons, state, whatever. It also comes hand in had with the toxic, and out of touch with reality notions of egalitarianism.
IMO the world we live in was formed mainly by the accomplishments of brilliant individuals.

Going against the grain, when everyone is mocking you, and knowing that you are doing well. In any field it is very frustrating, when things become clear, no one will recognize you ... everyone will say they were the first ... the sage will smile with a few tears inside , but he's too humble to raise his hand and don't want the spotlight on himself ... he knows and that's enough.