Engine usage in '09

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looks like engine wise Heikki is in the best position from now on and Kubica the worst. Is his 2nd engine totally blown & unusable?

The BGP's & the RBR's are in the same position pretty much.

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Some nice data!
Would it be possible to change the layout so that the engines are together? So McLaren are followed by Brawn and Force India. Renault followed by Red Bull etc. So as comparisons between how each team uses the engines is easier to see.

Thanks for putting so much time into this :) Very much appreciated!
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Best Posistion: Hekki, altho by default really as he had 2 races where he failed to race a lap, thus producing a artificial result. This is gonna be useful late in the season when he has a fresh or fresher engine in the bag, i can see them using Engine No. 1 again fo him, probably at Monaco or a track where Engine cooling isnt too much of a issue. tho.

Next Best: Bost STR drivers, low mileges on E1, mean theese can be used for at least one more race weekend.

Worst Posistion: Kubica, 2 engines shot thru already, and one of 2 drivers already in the teams 5th chassis (Glock being the other), makes this look like one long season for him.

Next Worst: Rosberg, he has done the most mileage of any driver, altho Glock is also up there with a comparible mileage in total, Rubens as well is in this boat as well.

The only thing i lack is gearbox usage, im getting something for where a new gearbox was needed, and this at the moment is on my now revised chassis chart.

Gearbox usage may be the hardest thing to try and get a handle on.

At the moment im not changing the layout, i may do another one later on with engine comparison data between teams.

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Being on a 5th chassis(actually probably his 3rd max, teams 5th) is not necessarily a a bad thing, BMW switched him to a newer lightweight chassis so that he could run KERS so it might actually be an advantage to him... of course him crashing out of races and destroying chassis could never be a good thing.

And with the gearboxes, just assume its the same one for 4 straight races unless they get a 5 grid spot penalty for a box change.

For Glock, since they had a bad Qual & a gearbox change penalty, they should have changed back to the E1 for the start of the China GP... but maybe it had already been sent back to the factory.

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ISLAMATRON wrote:And with the gearboxes, just assume its the same one for 4 straight races unless they get a 5 grid spot penalty for a box change.
Or get a DNF. I don't think anyone will be keeping the old one if it can be changed with no penalty incurred.

Great thread by the way!

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Dont they have to show damage to the gearbox for the FIA to allow a change? Even in a DNF.

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Nope, the teams only have to prove to FIA they haven't retired the car deliberately.

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Paul wrote:Nope, the teams only have to prove to FIA they haven't retired the car deliberately.
A loophole that i can see being closed on cost cutting grounds.

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roost89 wrote:Some nice data!
Would it be possible to change the layout so that the engines are together? So McLaren are followed by Brawn and Force India. Renault followed by Red Bull etc. So as comparisons between how each team uses the engines is easier to see.

Thanks for putting so much time into this :) Very much appreciated!
I ordered the drivers by driver number. You know, impartiality toward drivers is a must for the people handling the site, even if everybody knows JPM was the best and most entertaining driver to watch in history, no matter what the fans of that german guy (whose name I've forgotten) say.

Here you have the same graph I posted, ordered by engine and driver number:

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Chart for all engine types added together.

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Thanks again Ciro Pabón and ESPImperium

It's interesting to see that Ferrari and McLaren-Mercedes are covering more distance compared to the teams that are running their engines.

However, I did a bit of number crunching, simple crunching really. I took the total mileage covered so far and divided by team using the engine and also by drivers.

I got these averages using Ciro's data (to the nearest mile):
mileage/# of teams using engine

Avg. Merc Team = 4080
Avg. Ferrari Team = 4253
Avg. Toyota Team = 4519
Avg. Renault Team = 4004
Avg. BMW Team = 4192

Avg. Team distance = 4210

mileage/# of drivers using engine
Avg. Merc = 2040
Avg. Ferrari = 2126
Avg. Toyota = 2260
Avg. Renault = 2002
Avg. BMW = 2096

Avg. driver distance = 2105

Ferrari and Toyota engines are covering the most distance so far (on average). Where as Renault and Mercedes aren't. BMW seem the be at the average of distance covered.

Hope this adds somewhat and also matches the data collected by ESPImperium and Ciro.
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I think they need to adjust the rules as per the total number of engines per season.

Currently(17 races) I think they should adjust it to allow 4 engines for fridays and 5 for sat/sundays.

That way the teams can test/run more on Fridays without fearing of putting too much miles on the engine.

and they should switch it from just engines to the entire drivetrain(engine/transaxle/KERS).

As it stands now running too much on Friday can be a detriment to your entire racing season.

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ISLAMATRON wrote:I think they need to adjust the rules as per the total number of engines per season.

Currently(17 races) I think they should adjust it to allow 4 engines for fridays and 5 for sat/sundays.

That way the teams can test/run more on Fridays without fearing of putting too much miles on the engine.

and they should switch it from just engines to the entire drivetrain(engine/transaxle/KERS).

As it stands now running too much on Friday can be a detriment to your entire racing season.
that would probably be best, have 3 or 4 test engines, and then have id recon 4 race engines, as then it would mean that engines would have to last miles longer.

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New Data from Bahrain anyone???

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Just the final data at the moment, but if anyone wants the data for all engines ill be happy to oblige and post it.

My comments:

Both RBRs, McLarens, STRs and Renaults (Piquet isnt using too much, as this could harm a potential replacement for his seat for milage) seem to be looking good on Engine milages so far this season.

Kubica #2 Engine looks blown, Massas #2 looks the same way.... KERS Related???

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Nico with 2097 miles on 1 engin... more than 500 miles more than the next highest Heikki at 1577... astonishing!

Why are we using miles?

cuz they call it milage?