2022 Alpine F1 Team

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Despite unfortunate technical issue for Fernando and some lost points, I think it was a great weekend for Alpine; they look quite competitive on merit. Spectacular fight between the two, happy it didn't end with a conflict. Can't waint for the next race :)

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"I haven't been able to find who the cheif engineer is..."

Isn't Matt Harman?
I wonder what ideas other teams borrowed from the Alpine

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Kamel wrote:
29 Mar 2022, 21:12
"I haven't been able to find who the cheif engineer is..."

Isn't Matt Harman?
I wonder what ideas other teams borrowed from the Alpine
Harman is Technical Director again a Manager.
As Technical Director, Matt takes responsibility for delivering performance and experiments to the track, structuring the technical organisation and processes, plus growing talents and teams. He oversees chassis technical direction, bringing to the team his unique experience in Chassis/PU technical integration and trade-off.

        Rossi
          |
        Otmar
      /       \
   Fry         Harmen
    |            |
Chassis        Famin
Worker           |
 Bees           PU
              Worker 
               Bees

That's how I see it. The Cheif Chassis engineer would be part of the "Chassis worker bees".

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Alonso “I think I have had two great races even if conditioned by bad luck. In Bahrain we were penalized by a less than optimal strategy and an engine that did not work perfectly,"


Confirmation of PU troubles in Bahrain.


https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-al ... i/9459667/

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diffuser wrote:
30 Mar 2022, 19:30
Alonso “I think I have had two great races even if conditioned by bad luck. In Bahrain we were penalized by a less than optimal strategy and an engine that did not work perfectly,"


Confirmation of PU troubles in Bahrain.


https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-al ... i/9459667/
We know the engine didn't work properly in Bahrain because they changed it for Saudi Arabia and Alonso was much slower than Ocon in the speed traps. Suspect turbo leak.
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AR3-GP wrote:
30 Mar 2022, 19:35
diffuser wrote:
30 Mar 2022, 19:30
Alonso “I think I have had two great races even if conditioned by bad luck. In Bahrain we were penalized by a less than optimal strategy and an engine that did not work perfectly,"


Confirmation of PU troubles in Bahrain.


https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-al ... i/9459667/
We know the engine didn't work properly in Bahrain because they changed it for Saudi Arabia and Alonso was much slower than Ocon in the speed traps. Suspect turbo leak.
The official satatement that I read pervious to today said that they replaced the PU cause of a leaky gasket. It never confirmed or denied that a performance problem was observed at the Bahrain race. Just they wanted to analyse the PU and that it would be put back into Alonso's inventory at some point in the future.

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Alonso forced to use new engine in Australia

After his retirement in Saudi Arabia, Fernando Alonso will board a new engine for the Australian Grand Prix.

Back on the Old Continent, the engineers of the tricolor team were able to get to work to investigate the origin of the problem. Quickly, a guilty element was found. " It's not the engine but the water pump ," explained Laurent Rossi, General Manager of Alpine, during a meeting in Viry-Châtillon. This led to a lack of cooling and subsequently a cascade of events: the engine cooled less, the oil heated up, etc… creating more worries .”

Faced with a major mechanical problem, Alpine hoped to be able to replace the element in question for the Australian Grand Prix (April 10). Unfortunately, the French manufacturer will not be able to carry out its mission and will have to equip Fernando Alonso 's A522 with a new power unit. A big blow after two contested races when the allocation is only 3 engines for the whole season (23 GP) before receiving penalties on the grid.

“ The problem is that this accessory (water pump) is integrated into the engine , emphasizes Laurent Rossi. The water pump eventually disintegrated and fell into the engine. If we had wanted to repair it, we would have had to break the seal. The engine is therefore lost to us. Even if his physical integrity is not directly affected, for us, it is one less engine . »
https://www.autohebdo.fr/actualites/f1/ ... ralie.html
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Wouter wrote:
03 Apr 2022, 14:39
Alonso forced to use new engine in Australia

After his retirement in Saudi Arabia, Fernando Alonso will board a new engine for the Australian Grand Prix.

Back on the Old Continent, the engineers of the tricolor team were able to get to work to investigate the origin of the problem. Quickly, a guilty element was found. " It's not the engine but the water pump ," explained Laurent Rossi, General Manager of Alpine, during a meeting in Viry-Châtillon. This led to a lack of cooling and subsequently a cascade of events: the engine cooled less, the oil heated up, etc… creating more worries .”

Faced with a major mechanical problem, Alpine hoped to be able to replace the element in question for the Australian Grand Prix (April 10). Unfortunately, the French manufacturer will not be able to carry out its mission and will have to equip Fernando Alonso 's A522 with a new power unit. A big blow after two contested races when the allocation is only 3 engines for the whole season (23 GP) before receiving penalties on the grid.

“ The problem is that this accessory (water pump) is integrated into the engine , emphasizes Laurent Rossi. The water pump eventually disintegrated and fell into the engine. If we had wanted to repair it, we would have had to break the seal. The engine is therefore lost to us. Even if his physical integrity is not directly affected, for us, it is one less engine . »
https://www.autohebdo.fr/actualites/f1/ ... ralie.html

Well that sucks. Don't get why they can't use the first ICE. Something they're not letting on?

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diffuser wrote:
03 Apr 2022, 17:43
Wouter wrote:
03 Apr 2022, 14:39
Alonso forced to use new engine in Australia

After his retirement in Saudi Arabia, Fernando Alonso will board a new engine for the Australian Grand Prix.

Back on the Old Continent, the engineers of the tricolor team were able to get to work to investigate the origin of the problem. Quickly, a guilty element was found. " It's not the engine but the water pump ," explained Laurent Rossi, General Manager of Alpine, during a meeting in Viry-Châtillon. This led to a lack of cooling and subsequently a cascade of events: the engine cooled less, the oil heated up, etc… creating more worries .”

Faced with a major mechanical problem, Alpine hoped to be able to replace the element in question for the Australian Grand Prix (April 10). Unfortunately, the French manufacturer will not be able to carry out its mission and will have to equip Fernando Alonso 's A522 with a new power unit. A big blow after two contested races when the allocation is only 3 engines for the whole season (23 GP) before receiving penalties on the grid.

“ The problem is that this accessory (water pump) is integrated into the engine , emphasizes Laurent Rossi. The water pump eventually disintegrated and fell into the engine. If we had wanted to repair it, we would have had to break the seal. The engine is therefore lost to us. Even if his physical integrity is not directly affected, for us, it is one less engine . »
https://www.autohebdo.fr/actualites/f1/ ... ralie.html

Well that sucks. Don't get why they can't use the first ICE. Something they're not letting on?
The first engine probably has a failed seal in the turbo somewhere.
A lion must kill its prey.

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diffuser wrote:
03 Apr 2022, 17:43
Wouter wrote:
03 Apr 2022, 14:39
Alonso forced to use new engine in Australia

After his retirement in Saudi Arabia, Fernando Alonso will board a new engine for the Australian Grand Prix.

Back on the Old Continent, the engineers of the tricolor team were able to get to work to investigate the origin of the problem. Quickly, a guilty element was found. " It's not the engine but the water pump ," explained Laurent Rossi, General Manager of Alpine, during a meeting in Viry-Châtillon. This led to a lack of cooling and subsequently a cascade of events: the engine cooled less, the oil heated up, etc… creating more worries .”

Faced with a major mechanical problem, Alpine hoped to be able to replace the element in question for the Australian Grand Prix (April 10). Unfortunately, the French manufacturer will not be able to carry out its mission and will have to equip Fernando Alonso 's A522 with a new power unit. A big blow after two contested races when the allocation is only 3 engines for the whole season (23 GP) before receiving penalties on the grid.

“ The problem is that this accessory (water pump) is integrated into the engine , emphasizes Laurent Rossi. The water pump eventually disintegrated and fell into the engine. If we had wanted to repair it, we would have had to break the seal. The engine is therefore lost to us. Even if his physical integrity is not directly affected, for us, it is one less engine . »
https://www.autohebdo.fr/actualites/f1/ ... ralie.html
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Well that sucks. Don't get why they can't use the first ICE. Something they're not letting on?
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IIRC The first PU needs a full check and there probably won't be enough time before Melbourne to do that.
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Wouter wrote:
03 Apr 2022, 17:53
diffuser wrote:
03 Apr 2022, 17:43
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Well that sucks. Don't get why they can't use the first ICE. Something they're not letting on?
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IIRC The first PU needs a full check and there probably won't be enough time before Melbourne to do that.
The first PU issue was diagnosed at the end of Bahrain. It would be 3 weeks since then. That seems like a lot of time?
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AR3-GP wrote:
03 Apr 2022, 17:57
Wouter wrote:
03 Apr 2022, 17:53
diffuser wrote:
03 Apr 2022, 17:43
Well that sucks. Don't get why they can't use the first ICE. Something they're not letting on?
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IIRC The first PU needs a full check and there probably won't be enough time before Melbourne to do that.
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The first PU issue was diagnosed at the end of Bahrain. It would be 3 weeks since then. That seems like a lot of time?
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According to the team 3 weeks is not enough time.

Regarding the engine used in Bahrain at the start of the 2022 campaign, the French team should be able
to reuse it later in the year as it had announced before the Grand Prix of Saudi Arabia.
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AR3-GP wrote:
03 Apr 2022, 17:52
diffuser wrote:
03 Apr 2022, 17:43

Well that sucks. Don't get why they can't use the first ICE. Something they're not letting on?
The first engine probably has a failed seal in the turbo somewhere.
Turbo is a separate part from the ICE.

It probably means they haven't root caused the first PU problem.

Surprised that we can't replace the water pump.

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Some say that
798 kg (min) - Alfa Romeo
803 kg - Haas , McLaren
805 kg - Alpine
808 kg - Ferrari
813 kg - Red Bull n' Mercedes.
This means for me that A522 can improve in that section (0,1) but every kilo will cost 250k $

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Kamel wrote:
04 Apr 2022, 18:43
Some say that
798 kg (min) - Alfa Romeo
803 kg - Haas , McLaren
805 kg - Alpine
808 kg - Ferrari
813 kg - Red Bull n' Mercedes.
This means for me that A522 can improve in that section (0,1) but every kilo will cost 250k $
Looks pretty accurate. AMuS said the same in their latest article regarding the topic: https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... ackierung/