Ferrari F1-75

[deadhead]

In 2020 Ferrari asked Rory, who only worked 3-5 months every year, to take on a leading role again. He helped with the 2021 car, and had a leading role in the design of the F1-75.

Ferrari would have been stupid not to do this as Rory is probably the most experienced engineer left in F1 when it comes to cars like this. He is the only engineer left in F1 who was Chief Designer in the era of the first ground effect cars.

He is a very important asset. Lucky for Ferrari that he is still willing and able to work on car design..

[wowgr8]

Given Byrne had a big role in the F1-75 development I'm surprised Ferrari don't have a porpoising fix already, Red Bull who could count on Newey for that experience have it solved

[AR3-GP]

First two points go against all we’ve heard until now:

- No (significant) updates in Imola as per Binotto because it’s a sprint race weekend

- They’ll develop the hybrid part for as long as possible (this would make much more sense than bringing it already several months before deadline, right?)

Ferrari's biggest gain came from switching to the 800V system. I would imagine there are much smaller opportunities to improve. The system could be very refined already. And besides, the sooner you deploy it, the more races you can use the advantage it provides.

[Andi76]

Given Byrne had a big role in the F1-75 development I'm surprised Ferrari don't have a porpoising fix already, Red Bull who could count on Newey for that experience have it solved

Sorry to correct you - there is no team that has "solved" porpoising. In F1 TV Palmer did an analysis about this recently. Porpoising is something that probably will always be there with these kind of cars. Gerhard Berger also just explained that it was constantly there in the early 80's ground effect cars. So having people like Byrne or Newey, who have experience with this phenomenon, gives the advantage of getting porpoising "under control" without loosing performance. And Ferrari obviously has done a great job here.

[saviour stivala]

Rory Byrne consulting role signature is all over the FERRARI F1-75 chassis.

[deadhead]

Given Byrne had a big role in the F1-75 development I'm surprised Ferrari don't have a porpoising fix already, Red Bull who could count on Newey for that experience have it solved

Sorry to correct you - there is no team that has "solved" porpoising. In F1 TV Palmer did an analysis about this recently. Porpoising is something that probably will always be there with these kind of cars. Gerhard Berger also just explained that it was constantly there in the early 80's ground effect cars. So having people like Byrne or Newey, who have experience with this phenomenon, gives the advantage of getting porpoising "under control" without loosing performance. And Ferrari obviously has done a great job here.

The Red Bull is dealing with it far better than anyone else, it almost seems like it doesn't exist there.

Seems like its a combination of aero and the rear suspension, which will probably take another 8-10 races for Ferrari to figure out. At least that's the rumor I guess

[Andi76]

Given Byrne had a big role in the F1-75 development I'm surprised Ferrari don't have a porpoising fix already, Red Bull who could count on Newey for that experience have it solved

Sorry to correct you - there is no team that has "solved" porpoising. In F1 TV Palmer did an analysis about this recently. Porpoising is something that probably will always be there with these kind of cars. Gerhard Berger also just explained that it was constantly there in the early 80's ground effect cars. So having people like Byrne or Newey, who have experience with this phenomenon, gives the advantage of getting porpoising "under control" without loosing performance. And Ferrari obviously has done a great job here.

The Red Bull is dealing with it far better than anyone else, it almost seems like it doesn't exist there.

Seems like its a combination of aero and the rear suspension, which will probably take another 8-10 races for Ferrari to figure out. At least that's the rumor I guess

Sorry, but thats not true. F1TV did an analysis about the amplitude of each team and the Red Bull has the fourth highest amplitude. So - if you talk about porpoising itself, they are not dealing better with it than anyone else. But anyway- and like i said before -porpoising will be always there as it was in the late 70s and early 80s. What matters and who is dealing best with it, is who gets it under control without loosing performance. And from that point of view its Ferrari and RB who are indeed dealing better with it than anyone else. But Ferrari also has advantages in other areas.

[bluechris]

Someone can say that RedBull copes with it better simply because it has lower underground effect by disrupting the air and this reduces the downforce in the end. Its obvious that RB cannot turn in slow or slow-medium corners with the speed that Ferrari has there.

So it's a combination of things and imo all manufacturers have a lot of work to do with Ferrari in a better position if the new floor work as expected.

[dialtone]

Sorry to correct you - there is no team that has "solved" porpoising. In F1 TV Palmer did an analysis about this recently. Porpoising is something that probably will always be there with these kind of cars. Gerhard Berger also just explained that it was constantly there in the early 80's ground effect cars. So having people like Byrne or Newey, who have experience with this phenomenon, gives the advantage of getting porpoising "under control" without loosing performance. And Ferrari obviously has done a great job here.

The Red Bull is dealing with it far better than anyone else, it almost seems like it doesn't exist there.

Seems like its a combination of aero and the rear suspension, which will probably take another 8-10 races for Ferrari to figure out. At least that's the rumor I guess

Sorry, but thats not true. F1TV did an analysis about the amplitude of each team and the Red Bull has the fourth highest amplitude. So - if you talk about porpoising itself, they are not dealing better with it than anyone else. But anyway- and like i said before -porpoising will be always there as it was in the late 70s and early 80s. What matters and who is dealing best with it, is who gets it under control without loosing performance. And from that point of view its Ferrari and RB who are indeed dealing better with it than anyone else. But Ferrari also has advantages in other areas.

I don’t think that article was specifically talking about the porpoising in isolation but instead vertical acceleration of the car, which can happen for a variety of reasons (e.g. kerbs). And RedBull, while showing up in 4th place after Ferrari, Merc and Haas, was pretty much in line with every other team and not a significant outlier. It could be that acceleration is due to them riding kerbs well for example, or just simply bumps on the road which have higher effects thanks to their higher top speed.

[saviour stivala]

According to a survey of Cars/teams suffering the most/highest level of amplitude porpoising at Australian GP. At top of list is FERRARI with mercedes in third and RBR in fourth. Meaning FERRARI was the car most suffering porpoising of the three. Yet FERRARI was unbeatable in Australia. Which goes to proof that FERRARI chassis design is by far the one coping/managing best regardless with having by far the most porpoising. Both Rory Byrne involved with FERRARI chassis design by consultancy contract and Adrian Newey involved with RBR car design by being actually the chief technical officer are about the only two men still involved from the 80’s ground effect area car designs. Yet the FERRARI chassis design is the one which seems to have from the start of the design phase managed to shift its by far bigger porpoising to a point where its lap time is the least effected. The present car design results as per the wind tunnel development is restricted by the wind tunnel research rules limiting the ‘air-blow’ to a maximum of 50m/s, a speed of 180 km/h. a value too low to trigger porpoising. Which goes to show that solid previous experience of ground effect paid big time this time round. There is now no doubt any improvements managed by the teams as they stand re suffering effects of porpoising will have an even bigger effect/will result in an even bigger gains differences in their respectful lap-time. The problem for all in rectifying their porpoising effect on their respective lap-times is the budged spend. Because budged spend this year trying to mitigate porpoising will directly affect chassis development for next year.

[jagunx51]

[wowgr8]

At Maranello they are confident of extracting further potential from their power unit when they have completed the homologation program on the reliability of Spec 1, filling the torque curve with the introduction of Spec 2, now more shifted to low revs.

Italian media say spec 2 will have a different torque curve, specifically shifted towards low revs, what does this mean for performance?

[Vanja #66]

Italian media say spec 2 will have a different torque curve, specifically shifted towards low revs, what does this mean for performance?

Even better acceleration. That detail sounds a bit far-fetched to be honest.

[GrrG]

Italian media say spec 2 will have a different torque curve, specifically shifted towards low revs, what does this mean for performance?

Even better acceleration. That detail sounds a bit far-fetched to be honest.

The Italian media claim that the torque curve will better fill the medium-high rev range

[bagajohny]

https://www.formu1a.uno/ferrari-rispond ... te-novita/

Recalling that in Bahrain, as far as Formu1a.uno understands, the double retirement of the RB18s was caused by a lack of petrol, just to be able to run lighter and therefore limiting the distance from the F1-75.

Interesting...so much for the faulty fuel pump speculation.

At Maranello they are working on an update to the rear suspension. It is not yet known when it will be introduced, more likely in the second half of the season

I hope it fixes the porpoising.