Mercedes W13

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Mchamilton
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ing. wrote:
15 Apr 2022, 23:19
e30ernest wrote:
11 Apr 2022, 11:12

Here you go:

https://i.imgur.com/pwYc0BH.jpg

Merc on the left, Red Bull on the right.

Edit: Right click and open in new tab to see full image resolution. The Merc image was rather low res compared to the Red Bull's photo, but I did enlarge the Merc's to the Bull's resolution.
Seems to me the roof of the RBR tunnels are very much arched in section whereas the Merc has a lower, wide and flat roof (in section) and also flat along a good portion of its chord.

The low, flat roof of the Merc would appear to make the flow more sensitive to ride height variations. At full bump, for example, the area will be reduced quite a bit more—assuming the width of the tunnels on both cars is similar. The Merc is turquoise and the RBR is purple:

https://i.imgur.com/MDt0t1K.jpg

With the Merc floor seeming to be flat along most of its chord ahead of the rear axle—as opposed to a more cambered wing-like profile—this would tend to make it more pitch and heave sensitive. As explained already by Migeot in the Autosport article, due to the cars having more suspension travel at the rear, heave displacement at full bump resembles a nose-down pitch attitude. With a flat floor, the throat moves aft and any blockage due to boundary layer build up would get exacerbated and so would affect total DF and CoP location. Front is —>

https://i.imgur.com/P8z35JL.jpg

This may explain why Merc have good numbers in the wind tunnel that don’t translate to results on track. Kind of like the extreme GE cars of the late ‘70s like the Lotus 80 and the Arrows A2.
the merc floor only seems to be appear to be flat along its chord for the distance between the 2 bulges on the inner 'keel' wall. if you use that surface as a reference for the shape of the tunnel it looks just as wing shaped as the RB.
seems they missed a trick with not using an arched roof through the throat though.

AA_2019
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Mchamilton wrote:
19 Apr 2022, 12:09
ing. wrote:
15 Apr 2022, 23:19
e30ernest wrote:
11 Apr 2022, 11:12

the merc floor only seems to be appear to be flat along its chord for the distance between the 2 bulges on the inner 'keel' wall. if you use that surface as a reference for the shape of the tunnel it looks just as wing shaped as the RB.
seems they missed a trick with not using an arched roof through the throat though.
I pointed this out on 8 Apr (not sure why my post got moved to the car comparison posts). The arched roof means there is still airflow even when the car bottoms. Would transform the w13 (hopefully for the better)
One day AI might be able to fix the W13 zero pod concept !

KeiKo403
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Looks to be the same rear wing to previous races? Likely no updates as suspected due to sprint weekend format.

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Don't wanne be the partypooper here, but I must laugh when reading merc will be coming with a b-spec car pretty soon.

How can they if they still haven't understood the bouncing yet!
Mercedes AMG + Hamilton => dreamteam!
If you can't beat'em, call Masi!

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B-Spec car is nothing more than speculation from an ex F1 engineer.

morefirejules08
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De Jokke wrote:
21 Apr 2022, 13:43
Don't wanne be the partypooper here, but I must laugh when reading merc will be coming with a b-spec car pretty soon.

How can they if they still haven't understood the bouncing yet!
You assume they don’t understand it.

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Hi
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matteosc
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More downwash to better seal the floor?

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morefirejules08 wrote:
21 Apr 2022, 14:24
De Jokke wrote:
21 Apr 2022, 13:43
Don't wanne be the partypooper here, but I must laugh when reading merc will be coming with a b-spec car pretty soon.

How can they if they still haven't understood the bouncing yet!
You assume they don’t understand it.
When drivers and teamboss say they don't, yeah
Mercedes AMG + Hamilton => dreamteam!
If you can't beat'em, call Masi!

ogonek
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It seems to me, or this part has become more elegant?

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djones
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They will understand what is causing the issue.

Knowing the best way to fix it is what they will likely not fully understand at the moment.

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matteosc wrote:
21 Apr 2022, 15:15
More downwash to better seal the floor?
Those fins are for getting more air to the cooling inlet I think.

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SiLo
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pursue_one's wrote:
21 Apr 2022, 15:19
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New floor being delivered? I would assume it's not the same one as that would be on the car right?
Felipe Baby!