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Many a times floors have been copied and adopted. It would never be a carbon copy but the concepts than be translated.
2009 RedBull and McLaren double diffuser
Floor gills
Floor curls
The Z-cut
Etc.
Ferrari now have the RedBull ice skate thingy on their floor.
If they would want to copy the RB or Ferrari floor, hypothetically.
Would they be able to copy the other concepts without having to modify the internal packaging, radiator position and the sidepod fairings? The floor area must be pretty crowded, to create this compact sidepod.
An excellent analysis of the w13 floor compared with RB and Ferrari…
The problem with videos like that is that these guys analyse complex aerodynamics with the naked eye. While every professional aerodynamicist will tell you, even with much simpler aero devices than a venturi tunnel, that it is impossible to do a proper analysis without making a CFD simulation. And the only thing possible is guessing with much risk of being completely wrong. So you have to be very carefull with videos like that.
An excellent analysis of the w13 floor compared with RB and Ferrari…
The problem with videos like that is that these guys analyse complex aerodynamics with the naked eye. While every professional aerodynamicist will tell you, even with much simpler aero devices than a venturi tunnel, that it is impossible to do a proper analysis without making a CFD simulation. And the only thing possible is guessing with much risk of being completely wrong. So you have to be very carefull with videos like that.
This guy is a professional, a former F1 aerodynamicist actually.
An excellent analysis of the w13 floor compared with RB and Ferrari…
The problem with videos like that is that these guys analyse complex aerodynamics with the naked eye. While every professional aerodynamicist will tell you, even with much simpler aero devices than a venturi tunnel, that it is impossible to do a proper analysis without making a CFD simulation. And the only thing possible is guessing with much risk of being completely wrong. So you have to be very carefull with videos like that.
This guy is a professional, a former F1 aerodynamicist actually.
What does not change the fact that he, different to what i am used from F1 Aerodynamicists, draws conclusions by the naked eye.
An excellent analysis of the w13 floor compared with RB and Ferrari…
The problem with videos like that is that these guys analyse complex aerodynamics with the naked eye. While every professional aerodynamicist will tell you, even with much simpler aero devices than a venturi tunnel, that it is impossible to do a proper analysis without making a CFD simulation. And the only thing possible is guessing with much risk of being completely wrong. So you have to be very carefull with videos like that.
This guy is a professional, a former F1 aerodynamicist actually.
And the teams employ hundreds of them and still have the problems.
He can see things we don’t for sure, but in very coarse way.
13 is an unlucky number. M13 Power unit. W13 chassis.
The Mclaren MP4-13 won both the WCC and WDC in 1998.
The Williams FW13 was quite a successful car
The BMW M12/13 was the most powerfull F1 engine ever made.
I wonder if they are going to give it to midseason to see what happens. When is the next allocation of wind-tunnel time decided?
They could be looking at everyone's idea's, knocking some drawings up and then running their own simulations in the tunnel when they have much more time than anyone else. Whether this would be more beneficial than a design change and introducing ideas/upgrades along the way is another question.
Im still finding it hard that the computer runs are showing huge possibilities for the design they currently have. Surely after 4 tracks they can bring any issues between computer models and real life into line.
Maybe Russell is right with it being down to suspension setup/type which is why he's campaigning for the active ride heights.
I wonder if they are going to give it to midseason to see what happens. When is the next allocation of wind-tunnel time decided?
They could be looking at everyone's idea's, knocking some drawings up and then running their own simulations in the tunnel when they have much more time than anyone else. Whether this would be more beneficial than a design change and introducing ideas/upgrades along the way is another question.
Im still finding it hard that the computer runs are showing huge possibilities for the design they currently have. Surely after 4 tracks they can bring any issues between computer models and real life into line.
Maybe Russell is right with it being down to suspension setup/type which is why he's campaigning for the active ride heights.
Wind tunnel/CFD restrictions reset on June 30 I believe.
On suspension I don’t think it is a coincidence that the two teams which are seemingly most affected by bouncing are Mercedes and Aston Martin, which share suspension components. Without going too off-topic, think it’s worth noting that Williams, for example, uses their own suspension despite the Mercedes gearbox, and doesn’t seem as affected.
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