That’s not quite what it says is it…
Different time of year, different temperatures and therefore the data is not comparable as the pre season test. To truly test it back to back they will need one car of each spec in testing running the same fuel and tyre specs etc to get a true understanding of what is what.KeiKo403 wrote: ↑17 May 2022, 12:26That’s not quite what it says is it…
They had a preseason test at Barcelona with conventional sidepods and have the data they collected from that car.
Now they come back to Barcelona with the new zeropods car and will collect data from that to compare.
Same track, different car. Both developed using the same CFD/wind tunnel tools.
True, but it's as close as they're going to get. I'm sure there will be some meaningful data they can glean from this despite the different conditions.carisi2k wrote: ↑18 May 2022, 00:33Different time of year, different temperatures and therefore the data is not comparable as the pre season test. To truly test it back to back they will need one car of each spec in testing running the same fuel and tyre specs etc to get a true understanding of what is what.KeiKo403 wrote: ↑17 May 2022, 12:26That’s not quite what it says is it…
They had a preseason test at Barcelona with conventional sidepods and have the data they collected from that car.
Now they come back to Barcelona with the new zeropods car and will collect data from that to compare.
Same track, different car. Both developed using the same CFD/wind tunnel tools.
That's not what they mean.
If Mercedes can eliminate the bouncing they will be crazy quick!Can you explain the different sidepods?
Green: The goal is the same for everyone. Everyone wants clean air to get to the rear brake vents and rear diffuser. If you do it right, you can generate good, efficient downforce there. There are basically two approaches. Some bring the air down from above via the side boxes. That's what we call downwash. The others, like us, try to get the air down along the floor with an undercut. When I look at the Mercedes, I get the impression that, in theory, this solution brings the most air energy to the critical points. Once they get rid of the bouncing, this route could be very interesting. But that is not so easy to copy. To do this, you need a purpose-built chassis.
I think miami showed it not all about the bouncing, they seem to struggle massively with getting the tires in the operating windowPlatinumZealot wrote: ↑18 May 2022, 13:04What Aston Martin's Andrew Green thinks of the zero-pods
https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... ndy-green/
If Mercedes can eliminate the bouncing they will be crazy quick!Can you explain the different sidepods?
Green: The goal is the same for everyone. Everyone wants clean air to get to the rear brake vents and rear diffuser. If you do it right, you can generate good, efficient downforce there. There are basically two approaches. Some bring the air down from above via the side boxes. That's what we call downwash. The others, like us, try to get the air down along the floor with an undercut. When I look at the Mercedes, I get the impression that, in theory, this solution brings the most air energy to the critical points. Once they get rid of the bouncing, this route could be very interesting. But that is not so easy to copy. To do this, you need a purpose-built chassis.
i bet the bouncing is not more worth then 2-3 tenths alone, maybe because they can use a better setup without that. Ferrari shows that bouncing alone isnt a big issue and you can be quick anyway. Maybe its worse for mercedes somehow, but at this point i doubt that its still there biggest issue.Mchamilton wrote: ↑18 May 2022, 13:24I think miami showed it not all about the bouncing, they seem to struggle massively with getting the tires in the operating windowPlatinumZealot wrote: ↑18 May 2022, 13:04What Aston Martin's Andrew Green thinks of the zero-pods
https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... ndy-green/
If Mercedes can eliminate the bouncing they will be crazy quick!Can you explain the different sidepods?
Green: The goal is the same for everyone. Everyone wants clean air to get to the rear brake vents and rear diffuser. If you do it right, you can generate good, efficient downforce there. There are basically two approaches. Some bring the air down from above via the side boxes. That's what we call downwash. The others, like us, try to get the air down along the floor with an undercut. When I look at the Mercedes, I get the impression that, in theory, this solution brings the most air energy to the critical points. Once they get rid of the bouncing, this route could be very interesting. But that is not so easy to copy. To do this, you need a purpose-built chassis.
Yes it's one of those typical "let's satisfy the masses commentary" totally lacking any specifics, but it will keep the media happy. and make him look like a good guy.napoleon1981 wrote: ↑18 May 2022, 15:35Im not convinced that getting your concept endorsed by Aston Martin is a good thing.
That's a silly thing to say about Andrew Green.napoleon1981 wrote: ↑18 May 2022, 15:35Im not convinced that getting your concept endorsed by Aston Martin is a good thing.
That's your opinion. Supposedly AM is coming with a big upgrade/redesign in Barcelona, lets see if they put their money where there mouth is and actually go that direction (the concept of "zero" sidepod).PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑18 May 2022, 15:57That's a silly thing to say about Andrew Green.napoleon1981 wrote: ↑18 May 2022, 15:35Im not convinced that getting your concept endorsed by Aston Martin is a good thing.
Green says in the next sentence it wouldn't be easy to copy as it requires a chassis designed around that philosophy. We've seen how wide the radiators are packaged on the AM v the Mercnapoleon1981 wrote: ↑18 May 2022, 17:01That's your opinion. Supposedly AM is coming with a big upgrade/redesign in Barcelona, lets see if they put their money where there mouth is and actually go that direction (the concept of "zero" sidepod).PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑18 May 2022, 15:57That's a silly thing to say about Andrew Green.napoleon1981 wrote: ↑18 May 2022, 15:35Im not convinced that getting your concept endorsed by Aston Martin is a good thing.
Green is no fool. He is one of the better technical directors. He is highly rated.napoleon1981 wrote: ↑18 May 2022, 17:01That's your opinion. Supposedly AM is coming with a big upgrade/redesign in Barcelona, lets see if they put their money where there mouth is and actually go that direction (the concept of "zero" sidepod).PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑18 May 2022, 15:57That's a silly thing to say about Andrew Green.napoleon1981 wrote: ↑18 May 2022, 15:35Im not convinced that getting your concept endorsed by Aston Martin is a good thing.