That's promising then. Atleast Ferrari is not miles off in the distance as many including myself have feared.PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑19 May 2022, 15:40According to Andrew Green, all the engines are close and the Mercedes is not lacking in power.
So everyone is wrong, but your simple interpretation based on straight line speed in a single race is right?etusch wrote: ↑19 May 2022, 14:11I can not understand those power rating comments that says "Ferrari is most powerfull" from winter testings to now.
At last race Ferrari were not even able to attacking Vers' car with tow + drs. Perez got an engine issue which cost him 30 hp according to team and still he was performing level of Sainz and could attack him. Redbull was faster with full load of fuel while they also have car weight issue while redbull has longer ratios compared to ferrari's shorter ones.
If you are watching F1, if I were speak only last race, you should not say this. At bahrain Vers was catching and overtaking Lec from long away. Maybe bigger than 1 sec gap.LM10 wrote: ↑19 May 2022, 15:55So everyone is wrong, but your simple interpretation based on straight line speed in a single race is right?etusch wrote: ↑19 May 2022, 14:11I can not understand those power rating comments that says "Ferrari is most powerfull" from winter testings to now.
At last race Ferrari were not even able to attacking Vers' car with tow + drs. Perez got an engine issue which cost him 30 hp according to team and still he was performing level of Sainz and could attack him. Redbull was faster with full load of fuel while they also have car weight issue while redbull has longer ratios compared to ferrari's shorter ones.
We’re definitely not watching the same races .etusch wrote:If you are watching F1, if I were speak only last race, you should not say this. At bahrain Vers was catching and overtaking Lec from long away. Maybe bigger than 1 sec gap.LM10 wrote: ↑19 May 2022, 15:55So everyone is wrong, but your simple interpretation based on straight line speed in a single race is right?etusch wrote: ↑19 May 2022, 14:11I can not understand those power rating comments that says "Ferrari is most powerfull" from winter testings to now.
At last race Ferrari were not even able to attacking Vers' car with tow + drs. Perez got an engine issue which cost him 30 hp according to team and still he was performing level of Sainz and could attack him. Redbull was faster with full load of fuel while they also have car weight issue while redbull has longer ratios compared to ferrari's shorter ones.
At your datasheet was Lec behind Vers? did lec taking tow from him ? Or that was same for whole race ? Vers just waited and when needed easily overtook him. Maybe "avarage" is not a good data for what we are discussing.dialtone wrote: ↑19 May 2022, 16:12We’re definitely not watching the same races .etusch wrote:If you are watching F1, if I were speak only last race, you should not say this. At bahrain Vers was catching and overtaking Lec from long away. Maybe bigger than 1 sec gap.
https://f1pace.com/p/2022-miami-gp-stra ... box_2.webp
Ver v Lec over 47 laps with no drs on back straight, average speed in Miami.
In Bahrain Ferrari had high DF AND Lec was braking early to get DRS before the second straight.
This is not about merc engine so we should discuss somewhere else. These cars have barely any tow beyond 1.5s and zero after 2s. Out of 47 laps Lec was behind Ver with no drs for maybe 5 laps. Australia was the same regarding top speed and so was Imola. After Jeddah cars didn’t run wildly different DF packages any more. If we want to continue we should do in a different thread, but I’m good here.etusch wrote:At your datasheet was Lec behind Vers? did lec taking tow from him ? Or that was same for whole race ? Vers just waited and when needed easily overtook him. Maybe "avarage" is not a good data for what we are discussing.dialtone wrote: ↑19 May 2022, 16:12We’re definitely not watching the same races .etusch wrote: If you are watching F1, if I were speak only last race, you should not say this. At bahrain Vers was catching and overtaking Lec from long away. Maybe bigger than 1 sec gap.
https://f1pace.com/p/2022-miami-gp-stra ... box_2.webp
Ver v Lec over 47 laps with no drs on back straight, average speed in Miami.
In Bahrain Ferrari had high DF AND Lec was braking early to get DRS before the second straight.
At bahrain Lec braking earlier to take DRS but why. If Vers were not able to overtake him if he didn't brake earlier ? Lec were overtaken anyway. He could reovertake by that but he could it hardly and everybody surprised how easy Vers overtaken. Redbull's tyre management and brake cooling issues prevent him to go harder. Otherwise that race also was a win for Verstappen.
Low to mid speed acceleration, when traction does not play a role anymore, is the biggest indicator for engine power.etusch wrote: ↑19 May 2022, 16:08If you are watching F1, if I were speak only last race, you should not say this. At bahrain Vers was catching and overtaking Lec from long away. Maybe bigger than 1 sec gap.LM10 wrote: ↑19 May 2022, 15:55So everyone is wrong, but your simple interpretation based on straight line speed in a single race is right?etusch wrote: ↑19 May 2022, 14:11I can not understand those power rating comments that says "Ferrari is most powerfull" from winter testings to now.
At last race Ferrari were not even able to attacking Vers' car with tow + drs. Perez got an engine issue which cost him 30 hp according to team and still he was performing level of Sainz and could attack him. Redbull was faster with full load of fuel while they also have car weight issue while redbull has longer ratios compared to ferrari's shorter ones.
If straight line speed ( which is not my only base ) not a indicator for engine power, which is the indicator of that. Turning speed ?
Not a lot. All the engines have a very flat power curve over the rpm range needed.
Wow - that graph shows a 4.7 km/hr difference in corner exit speed - that is huge.dialtone wrote: ↑19 May 2022, 16:12https://f1pace.com/p/2022-miami-gp-stra ... box_2.webp
Ver v Lec over 47 laps with no drs on back straight, average speed in Miami.
In Bahrain Ferrari had high DF AND Lec was braking early to get DRS before the second straight.
yeah, out of T16 RBR had a massive advantage in traction thanks to better tyre management, that's how RBR manages to pass.gruntguru wrote: ↑20 May 2022, 01:46Wow - that graph shows a 4.7 km/hr difference in corner exit speed - that is huge.dialtone wrote: ↑19 May 2022, 16:12https://f1pace.com/p/2022-miami-gp-stra ... box_2.webp
Ver v Lec over 47 laps with no drs on back straight, average speed in Miami.
In Bahrain Ferrari had high DF AND Lec was braking early to get DRS before the second straight.