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siskue2005
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214270 wrote:
20 May 2022, 22:17
siskue2005 wrote:
20 May 2022, 19:51
KeiKo403 wrote:
20 May 2022, 19:33
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTIs9elaIAA ... ame=medium

Could this part flex down and act like a skirt sealing a section of the floor? We’ve been thinking for a while that floors flexing were a bad thing but could Merc be gaining a benefit from it here?

If it wasn’t going to flex downwards and make contact with the surface of track then why make so much of the edge out of a metallic material and not go full carbon? Unless it’s because they don’t want it to flex?
it flexes upwards when it hit the track, hence preventing porpoising
Downwards surely? The fixings are no different to how the front wing elements are mounted. You’d fix from the underside if you wanted it to bend up
from the looks of it in this picture its being fixed by the hinges from underneath
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The W13 at high speed, DRS, down the straight. Floor looking flush to the ground. No porpoising was reported by either driver on the straights today.
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close up with shadow detail
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siskue2005 wrote:
20 May 2022, 22:22
214270 wrote:
20 May 2022, 22:17
siskue2005 wrote:
20 May 2022, 19:51


it flexes upwards when it hit the track, hence preventing porpoising
Downwards surely? The fixings are no different to how the front wing elements are mounted. You’d fix from the underside if you wanted it to bend up
from the looks of it in this picture its being fixed by the hinges from underneath
https://serving.photos.photobox.com/941 ... 422d2a.jpg
Fair enough, the overhead made it look otherwise
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AeroDynamic wrote:
20 May 2022, 22:24
The W13 at high speed, DRS, down the straight. Floor looking flush to the ground. No porpoising was reported by either driver on the straights today.
https://i.imgur.com/MxHSI7t.jpg

close up with shadow detail
https://i.imgur.com/PZax51j.jpg
it looks so sleek when its not bouncing

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AeroDynamic wrote:
20 May 2022, 22:24
The W13 at high speed, DRS, down the straight. Floor looking flush to the ground. No porpoising was reported by either driver on the straights today.
https://i.imgur.com/MxHSI7t.jpg

close up with shadow detail
https://i.imgur.com/PZax51j.jpg
Purpoising was occurring on the high speed corners, lots of bottoming can be heard on the onboard video. This will give them high tyre wear on turns 3 and 9.

It's nice to be complaining about this as it means we are thinking of the smaller details that put us just out of touch of a potential win.

We are close for real this time.
One day AI might be able to fix the W13 zero pod concept !

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siskue2005 wrote:
20 May 2022, 22:51

it looks so sleek when its not bouncing
Reminds me of the mp4/4, that shot.

Or maybe, it's just me :lol:
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At 9 seconds in the video, slow playback down to 0.25x and you can clearly see the heavy purpoising at turn 3

One day AI might be able to fix the W13 zero pod concept !

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AA_2019 wrote:
21 May 2022, 00:33
At 9 seconds in the video, slow playback down to 0.25x and you can clearly see the heavy purpoising at turn 3

Doesn't look like porpoising but rather like a car driving over bumps in the track surface.
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wesley123 wrote:
21 May 2022, 01:03
AA_2019 wrote:
21 May 2022, 00:33
At 9 seconds in the video, slow playback down to 0.25x and you can clearly see the heavy purpoising at turn 3

Doesn't look like porpoising but rather like a car driving over bumps in the track surface.
I wish that was true, but if you look at the rear diffuser area and ground clearance, the rhythmic bouncing is there
One day AI might be able to fix the W13 zero pod concept !

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AA_2019 wrote:
21 May 2022, 01:29
wesley123 wrote:
21 May 2022, 01:03
AA_2019 wrote:
21 May 2022, 00:33
At 9 seconds in the video, slow playback down to 0.25x and you can clearly see the heavy purpoising at turn 3

Doesn't look like porpoising but rather like a car driving over bumps in the track surface.
I wish that was true, but if you look at the rear diffuser area and ground clearance, the rhythmic bouncing is there
The bouncing is barely visible, even if you slow it down by 4x. porpoising has generally been very visible on the track cams, at regular speed.

The fact that you need to slow it down and it still is barely noticable makes it clear enough that it's not porpoising.
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Looks like there may possibly be stays bonded in the floor. You can see in the the third image the third carbon fiber slit is angled and in the fourth image a mechanic placed a helmet on top of it

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Facts are that it’s the first time the W13 has been able to be so close to the ground & that that both drivers are happy.

Very promising and mostly due to the uprgrades brought in Barcelona!

Very promising stuff!

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Spacepace wrote:
21 May 2022, 03:15
Looks like there may possibly be stays bonded in the floor. You can see in the the third image the third carbon fiber slit is angled and in the fourth image a mechanic placed a helmet on top of it

https://imgur.com/gallery/YQcAbxQ
See my previous post
siskue2005 wrote:
20 May 2022, 15:23
there are interesting floor changes in that merc... are they running hidden stays like redbull?
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The floor top cover has become taller, and i think there are hidden stays like this
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Spacepace wrote:
21 May 2022, 03:15
Looks like there may possibly be stays bonded in the floor. You can see in the the third image the third carbon fiber slit is angled and in the fourth image a mechanic placed a helmet on top of it

https://imgur.com/gallery/YQcAbxQ
No, that's just where they mounted the sensors on the floor - go back to the launch spec car and look in that area.