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[Stu]

Seems VERY odd that both cars had the same issue on the very same lap of a water leak?

I think they might have done some short fuelling and realised they were going to run out.

Chances of a fresh ‘more reliable’ PU springing a water leak within 1minute of each other. Hmmm

George was reporting a warning to cool car after about 10 laps, queried it over the radio.

[hollus]

Literally most of 2 hours worth of posts are gone. Pooof. About 2 full pages.

If you came to this thread after the race to troll, you either got a warning or banned. And the whole conversation past that point, gone, I hope you enjoyed its short trolling life.
And if you responded to the trolls... what were you expecting to happen? Reason? Logic? Sham... you get the drift. All the responses also magically poofed away.

Keep it clean, folks. Never make it personal (and for god's sake don't respond to personal stuff and trolling with more personal stuff!).

Now, if anyone wants to talk about the race, or the team, or the team's drivers, or the pace, or Toto, or Manaco... Game on!

[chrisc90]

Seems VERY odd that both cars had the same issue on the very same lap of a water leak?

I think they might have done some short fuelling and realised they were going to run out.

Chances of a fresh ‘more reliable’ PU springing a water leak within 1minute of each other. Hmmm

George was reporting a warning to cool car after about 10 laps, queried it over the radio.

True. I heard the message of George needing to cool the car, even if he was in clear air ahead.

It still does seem a bit odd that both the cars had the same fault on lap 50-odd. I can’t see Russell nursing a water leak for that many laps.

If the problems were related of course

[PhillipM]

Probably got to the point where the header tanks were almost empty.

[Hammerfist]

they aren't there yet, both cars today had insufficient cooling package (smaller package = less drag), so it wasn't a real pace display, but the potential looks good, Hamilton gained so much time against Russel probably because the latter one was managing temperatures throughout the race while Hamilton was going all out and something did fail on his car when he slowed down and let Sainz past

Still had a Ferrari beat on pace and that's with both cars. Sainz cannot have damaged something while simply going to the gravel while not hitting anything else surely? Don't really think the cooling issues are a big deal. They didn't estimate the temperatures to be as high and developped a problem. It should be addressed the next time out. Not there yet as you said, but surely closing the gap.

Why not? Norris had to replace chassis and floor just for going over a kerb in free practice. Braking the diffuser when you spin in gravel seems entirely possible.

Explain how gravel, which is just basically sand can damage body work on the car. Are you seriously comparing that to hitting a solid curb that can shatter any body work within a blink of an eye?

[chrisc90]

Still had a Ferrari beat on pace and that's with both cars. Sainz cannot have damaged something while simply going to the gravel while not hitting anything else surely? Don't really think the cooling issues are a big deal. They didn't estimate the temperatures to be as high and developped a problem. It should be addressed the next time out. Not there yet as you said, but surely closing the gap.

Why not? Norris had to replace chassis and floor just for going over a kerb in free practice. Braking the diffuser when you spin in gravel seems entirely possible.

Explain how gravel, which is just basically sand can damage body work on the car. Are you seriously comparing that to hitting a solid curb that can shatter any body work within a blink of an eye?

Depends how the car goes in, could possibly have bits of bodywork digging in and the weight of the vehicle behind it.

[dialtone]

Still had a Ferrari beat on pace and that's with both cars. Sainz cannot have damaged something while simply going to the gravel while not hitting anything else surely? Don't really think the cooling issues are a big deal. They didn't estimate the temperatures to be as high and developped a problem. It should be addressed the next time out. Not there yet as you said, but surely closing the gap.

Why not? Norris had to replace chassis and floor just for going over a kerb in free practice. Braking the diffuser when you spin in gravel seems entirely possible.

Explain how gravel, which is just basically sand can damage body work on the car. Are you seriously comparing that to hitting a solid curb that can shatter any body work within a blink of an eye?

Gravel moves around, when the car lands on gravel from the spin, car moves sideways, gravel accumulates between wheel and side of diffuser, at that point the car keeps going down bending and eventually braking the diffuser.

You can simulate the same, take your hand open and push gravel over, it will accumulate and eventually impede your movement. But I’m sure you know this already and are just giving sainz a hard time for the sake of it.

[Mchamilton]

Still had a Ferrari beat on pace and that's with both cars. Sainz cannot have damaged something while simply going to the gravel while not hitting anything else surely? Don't really think the cooling issues are a big deal. They didn't estimate the temperatures to be as high and developped a problem. It should be addressed the next time out. Not there yet as you said, but surely closing the gap.

Why not? Norris had to replace chassis and floor just for going over a kerb in free practice. Braking the diffuser when you spin in gravel seems entirely possible.

Explain how gravel, which is just basically sand can damage body work on the car. Are you seriously comparing that to hitting a solid curb that can shatter any body work within a blink of an eye?

Could easily break a floor strake going into the gravel. Run and slide face first into some gravel, see how you get on.

[Hammerfist]

Why not? Norris had to replace chassis and floor just for going over a kerb in free practice. Braking the diffuser when you spin in gravel seems entirely possible.

Explain how gravel, which is just basically sand can damage body work on the car. Are you seriously comparing that to hitting a solid curb that can shatter any body work within a blink of an eye?

Gravel moves around, when the car lands on gravel from the spin, car moves sideways, gravel accumulates between wheel and side of diffuser, at that point the car keeps going down bending and eventually braking the diffuser.

You can simulate the same, take your hand open and push gravel over, it will accumulate and eventually impede your movement. But I’m sure you know this already and are just giving sainz a hard time for the sake of it.

No actually I’ll take your word for it. Good try and bait though. I read an article with both binotto and sainz saying he lost downforce so I guess it’s true. But prior to the spin he wasn’t exactly fast either.

[johnny comelately]

Did both cars get a lift and coast instruction?

[carisi2k]

*has its engine only where it wants it to be from race 6 onwards

All teams do that, it's constant revision, apart from RB/Honda, who obviously went risky to start with and look what it landed them on the engine side.

They had fuel issues and not power unit failures. Mercedes today however had some cooling issues and a water leak on the power unit which cost Lewis a spot at the end and could have cost both drivers a dnf.

[McG]

Good to see Mercedes doing a bit better. I'll take some more boring Mercedes domination over a Ferrari/Red Bull engine fail championship battle any day.

[PhillipM]

They had fuel issues and not power unit failures. Mercedes today however had some cooling issues and a water leak on the power unit which cost Lewis a spot at the end and could have cost both drivers a dnf.

Which just reinforces the point, no?

[e30ernest]

*has its engine only where it wants it to be from race 6 onwards

All teams do that, it's constant revision, apart from RB/Honda, who obviously went risky to start with and look what it landed them on the engine side.

They had fuel issues and not power unit failures. Mercedes today however had some cooling issues and a water leak on the power unit which cost Lewis a spot at the end and could have cost both drivers a dnf.

For Lewis I think it was a legit cooling issue from a leak. Post race Toto said it was bad enough that they are not sure if the engine will be safe to re-use after this. Hopefully the engine checks out OK when they get it back to the factory.

[PlatinumZealot]

Still had a Ferrari beat on pace and that's with both cars. Sainz cannot have damaged something while simply going to the gravel while not hitting anything else surely? Don't really think the cooling issues are a big deal. They didn't estimate the temperatures to be as high and developped a problem. It should be addressed the next time out. Not there yet as you said, but surely closing the gap.

Why not? Norris had to replace chassis and floor just for going over a kerb in free practice. Braking the diffuser when you spin in gravel seems entirely possible.

Explain how gravel, which is just basically sand can damage body work on the car. Are you seriously comparing that to hitting a solid curb that can shatter any body work within a blink of an eye?

The gravel stones are quite big.