https://app.box.com/s/q5spszjrnzag2crtmajagvsl4kiza3ip_cerber1 wrote: ↑20 May 2022, 15:10I like the new form better, I hope it is just as effective.
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Like a Ferrari?
https://app.box.com/s/q5spszjrnzag2crtmajagvsl4kiza3ip_cerber1 wrote: ↑20 May 2022, 15:10I like the new form better, I hope it is just as effective.
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Nope, just a downwashing channel._DM_ wrote: ↑21 May 2022, 12:15https://app.box.com/s/q5spszjrnzag2crtmajagvsl4kiza3ip_cerber1 wrote: ↑20 May 2022, 15:10I like the new form better, I hope it is just as effective.
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Like a Ferrari?
If I’m not wrong, McLaren was driving their car lower than anyone else from day 1 of testing, porpoising hasn’t been an issue for them so far. And they haven’t had a need for stays on the floor either.diffuser wrote: ↑21 May 2022, 10:34Well, there is that. The wider sidepods get used to control the airflow to the rear.SmallSoldier wrote: ↑20 May 2022, 21:30McLaren wasn’t really suffering from Porpoising from with a narrow sidepods… The larger (wider) sidepods seem to help with front tire wake management and reduce drag generated by the rear tiresdiffuser wrote: ↑20 May 2022, 20:20
From what I've read, the problem with the narrow bod or a design with a large exposed floor is porposing. You can't keep the floor from flexing and being sucked down too low in certain areas and stalling. While with large sidepods you can have as many stays under the sidepods as you need.
We're they not having porpoising cause their ride height was higher that it should have been and sacrificing DF? That is the questions.
I know they were having porpoising problems early. Looks like Merc is getting it to work finally.SmallSoldier wrote: ↑21 May 2022, 16:07If I’m not wrong, McLaren was driving their car lower than anyone else from day 1 of testing, porpoising hasn’t been an issue for them so far. And they haven’t had a need for stays on the floor either.diffuser wrote: ↑21 May 2022, 10:34Well, there is that. The wider sidepods get used to control the airflow to the rear.SmallSoldier wrote: ↑20 May 2022, 21:30
McLaren wasn’t really suffering from Porpoising from with a narrow sidepods… The larger (wider) sidepods seem to help with front tire wake management and reduce drag generated by the rear tires
We're they not having porpoising cause their ride height was higher that it should have been and sacrificing DF? That is the questions.
Having a “wide sidepod” concept may allow you to use stays, but is not the reason why teams choose that philosophy
Hmmm I think I have to agree with smallsoldier on this one.diffuser wrote: ↑21 May 2022, 16:26I know they were having porpoising problems early. Looks like Merc is getting it to work finally.SmallSoldier wrote: ↑21 May 2022, 16:07If I’m not wrong, McLaren was driving their car lower than anyone else from day 1 of testing, porpoising hasn’t been an issue for them so far. And they haven’t had a need for stays on the floor either.
Having a “wide sidepod” concept may allow you to use stays, but is not the reason why teams choose that philosophy
I remember the articles from the “shake up” (Barcelona testing) this year and everyone was trying to point out how and why McLaren weren’t showing showing signs of porpoising, while at the same time they were running the car very low compared to others… McLaren never had bit porpoising issues (not like what we were watching from Ferrari, Mercedes, etc)diffuser wrote: ↑21 May 2022, 16:26I know they were having porpoising problems early. Looks like Merc is getting it to work finally.SmallSoldier wrote: ↑21 May 2022, 16:07If I’m not wrong, McLaren was driving their car lower than anyone else from day 1 of testing, porpoising hasn’t been an issue for them so far. And they haven’t had a need for stays on the floor either.
Having a “wide sidepod” concept may allow you to use stays, but is not the reason why teams choose that philosophy
SmallSoldier wrote: ↑21 May 2022, 16:32I remember the articles from the “shake up” (Barcelona testing) this year and everyone was trying to point out how and why McLaren weren’t showing showing signs of porpoising, while at the same time they were running the car very low compared to others… McLaren never had bit porpoising issues (not like what we were watching from Ferrari, Mercedes, etc)diffuser wrote: ↑21 May 2022, 16:26I know they were having porpoising problems early. Looks like Merc is getting it to work finally.SmallSoldier wrote: ↑21 May 2022, 16:07
If I’m not wrong, McLaren was driving their car lower than anyone else from day 1 of testing, porpoising hasn’t been an issue for them so far. And they haven’t had a need for stays on the floor either.
Having a “wide sidepod” concept may allow you to use stays, but is not the reason why teams choose that philosophy
Did someone actually come out and say that the front brake problem was caused by the OLD wind tunnel/ Equipment? McLaren have argubaly had the best brakes over the last decade. I find it hard to beleive that they screw them up one year and all of a sudden it's the old equipment's fault?M840TR wrote: ↑24 May 2022, 14:32The whole front brake saga really illustrates how much old equipment has held the team back. Not only has it slowed development in general but probably also closes off many opportunities because the guys can't confidently innovate without high risk of failure. I really think the new tunnel & simulator could be a game changer. We've seen with the 35M what they can do once assured the development direction is solid.
It's an inability to accurately simulate their impact in real-world, all the same I think.diffuser wrote: ↑24 May 2022, 16:11Did someone actually come out and say that the front brake problem was caused by the OLD wind tunnel/ Equipment? McLaren have argubaly had the best brakes over the last decade. I find it hard to beleive that they screw them up one year and all of a sudden it's the old equipment's fault?M840TR wrote: ↑24 May 2022, 14:32The whole front brake saga really illustrates how much old equipment has held the team back. Not only has it slowed development in general but probably also closes off many opportunities because the guys can't confidently innovate without high risk of failure. I really think the new tunnel & simulator could be a game changer. We've seen with the 35M what they can do once assured the development direction is solid.
You maybe right, I maybe crazy but it just might be a lunatic you're looking for....M840TR wrote: ↑24 May 2022, 18:22It's an inability to accurately simulate their impact in real-world, all the same I think.diffuser wrote: ↑24 May 2022, 16:11Did someone actually come out and say that the front brake problem was caused by the OLD wind tunnel/ Equipment? McLaren have argubaly had the best brakes over the last decade. I find it hard to beleive that they screw them up one year and all of a sudden it's the old equipment's fault?M840TR wrote: ↑24 May 2022, 14:32The whole front brake saga really illustrates how much old equipment has held the team back. Not only has it slowed development in general but probably also closes off many opportunities because the guys can't confidently innovate without high risk of failure. I really think the new tunnel & simulator could be a game changer. We've seen with the 35M what they can do once assured the development direction is solid.
I guess Monaco is just all turns made up of the turns in the final chicane ? They didn't take the whole last sector, just the chicane????
SmallSoldier wrote: ↑21 May 2022, 16:32I remember the articles from the “shake up” (Barcelona testing) this year and everyone was trying to point out how and why McLaren weren’t showing showing signs of porpoising, while at the same time they were running the car very low compared to others… McLaren never had bit porpoising issues (not like what we were watching from Ferrari, Mercedes, etc)diffuser wrote: ↑21 May 2022, 16:26I know they were having porpoising problems early. Looks like Merc is getting it to work finally.SmallSoldier wrote: ↑21 May 2022, 16:07
If I’m not wrong, McLaren was driving their car lower than anyone else from day 1 of testing, porpoising hasn’t been an issue for them so far. And they haven’t had a need for stays on the floor either.
Having a “wide sidepod” concept may allow you to use stays, but is not the reason why teams choose that philosophy