2022 - McLaren Formula 1 Team

[runningmanz]

this video explains everything.

Mclaren should have started working on making a car to adapt to Daniel;s Needs from the outset. The same way that Renault did for the 2020 car after a year of feedback. Not the other way around. They have ignored him and kept going a car philosiphy that makes Lando comfortable. Daniel has driven this way for most of his career. He cant suddenly change and drive against his natural instincts. Mclaren begged Daniel to join and yet they they went ahead with their garbage car philosiphy thats gotten them nowhere. James key said in 2020 that it will be hard to eliminate the traits and philosiphy of the 2021 car even though 2022 car has different regulations because they have always pursued that style of strength that allows late braking and directing into corners. I simply dont understand why they would hire Daniel then. L:ike i said. He simply isnt going to adapt to something when hes driven a way to exploit a certain car philosiphy thoughout his career.

Waste of time and money on both sides of the table. They have ruined his reputation by failing to cater for his needs and where has that gotten them? 1 second behind the leaders for the last 5 years. Horrible team. THey will never return to winning ways unless they are bought out by Porche or Audi and a big clean up and aquisition period happens withing the Technical department. James key has failed miserably and that is the truth of the matter no matter which way you look at it.

That video pretty much says most of what I have been saying previously. Just hope both McLaren and Dan can make the changes required soon and we start seeing great results on both sides of the garage.

[djos]

It sounds like Mclaren have taken the “slow in, fast out” philosophy to a crazy extreme. It’d be great if they could fix the car to be more like the Ferrari and red Bull cars as clearly they are faster overall.

[PhillipM]

Why on earth would you work on changing the car immediately to Dan needing a strong front axle when you're already working on a completely new philosophy for the 2022 ruleset with completely different characteristics?
Honestly there's a lot of nonsense in here the last pages.
All the cars are front limited in this era. All of them. The new front tyres are the mainly culprit and are snatchy when trying to blend inputs which makes it even worse. Weight distribution is limited heavily, there's not a whole lot you can do about that.

Saying the RB and Ferrari are better because they somehow have 'fixed' the front grip problem is disingenious at best - they're *all* complaining about front understeer, even when the tyre temps are in the right window (and regulating the fronts atm is tricky, hence the problems with tyre temps when McL didn't have their proper front brake ducts) - the difference is the RB and Ferrari probably just have a little more downforce, not that they've somehow magically found a second a lap entirely out of the front end.

[JPower]

It sounds like Mclaren have taken the “slow in, fast out” philosophy to a crazy extreme. It’d be great if they could fix the car to be more like the Ferrari and red Bull cars as clearly they are faster overall.

The McLaren isn’t slower than those cars because of that philosophy.

[runningmanz]

Why on earth would you work on changing the car immediately to Dan needing a strong front axle when you're already working on a completely new philosophy for the 2022 ruleset with completely different characteristics?
Honestly there's a lot of nonsense in here the last pages.
All the cars are front limited in this era. All of them. The new front tyres are the mainly culprit and are snatchy when trying to blend inputs which makes it even worse. Weight distribution is limited heavily, there's not a whole lot you can do about that.

Saying the RB and Ferrari are better because they somehow have 'fixed' the front grip problem is disingenious at best - they're *all* complaining about front understeer, even when the tyre temps are in the right window (and regulating the fronts atm is tricky, hence the problems with tyre temps when McL didn't have their proper front brake ducts) - the difference is the RB and Ferrari probably just have a little more downforce, not that they've somehow magically found a second a lap entirely out of the front end.

No need to be so condescending. Care to give some quotes on this? The head of F1 at Pirelli mentioned less understeer in 2022 and more footprint on the front.

https://scuderiafans.com/why-understeer ... la-1-cars/

[PhillipM]

yes, they thought it would be less of an issue than it was in the tests on 2021 cars with the big wheels. Turns out it wasn't, that's a very old quote. If you go look at the teams and drivers talking about the car, Newey, Max, Hamilton, Wolfe, Sainz, Leclerc....they're all saying they struggle with understeer.

[runningmanz]

yes, they thought it would be less of an issue than it was in the tests on 2021 cars with the big wheels. Turns out it wasn't, that's a very old quote. If you go look at the teams and drivers talking about the car, Newey, Max, Hamilton, Wolfe, Sainz, Leclerc....they're all saying they struggle with understeer.

Leclerc mentioned at Monaco about having alot of oversteer.

"It was really on the limit. I had quite a bit of oversteer and I struggled to put the tyres in the right window in the last sector because there was a bit of traffic."


https://racingnews365-com.cdn.ampprojec ... o-pole-lap

[billamend]

You just have to look at the cars on the track. They all look understeery.

The amount of contortionism to try to justify a driver under delivering is shocking.

[runningmanz]

You just have to look at the cars on the track. They all look understeery.

The amount of contortionism to try to justify a driver under delivering is shocking.

No one's saying he hasn't under delivered apart from Monza in light of his previous highs and expectation. Reasonable people are just looking for an explanation why given what he has achieved in the past. . There is overwhelming evidence it relates to the car and his driving style. To say he suddenly has lost his ability is just nonsense in light of all this information imo. Whether he can adapt and make it work in this new car still remains to be seen. Having said that more races than not he has actually been comparable to Lando's pace this season. It's certainly not all bad and quite a bit of bad luck in the mix too. Some of us just don't look at the scoreboard when assessing his performances this season and prefer to look at all the available data.

Quite a bit of contortionism imo trying to avoid all the available data and quote the scoreboard as gospel. It's simply not that black and white.

[billamend]

You just have to look at the cars on the track. They all look understeery.

The amount of contortionism to try to justify a driver under delivering is shocking.

No one's saying he hasn't delivered apart from Monza. Reasonable people are just looking for an explanation why given what he has achieved in the past. . There is overwhelming evidence it relates to the car and his driving style. To say he suddenly has lost his ability is just nonsense in light of all this information imo.

But that just makes it worse. Drivers with the claim of calibre that he has, must adapt. He’s all feeling, he doesn’t even understand what he needs to do.

Lando has said time and time again that he also didn’t like the car and that he has the same feedback as Daniel. Yet, he can adapt.

Even recently, Lando said that he’s still adapting to this years car.

[runningmanz]

You just have to look at the cars on the track. They all look understeery.

The amount of contortionism to try to justify a driver under delivering is shocking.

No one's saying he hasn't delivered apart from Monza. Reasonable people are just looking for an explanation why given what he has achieved in the past. . There is overwhelming evidence it relates to the car and his driving style. To say he suddenly has lost his ability is just nonsense in light of all this information imo.

But that just makes it worse. Drivers with the claim of calibre that he has, must adapt. He’s all feeling, he doesn’t even understand what he needs to do.

Lando has said time and time again that he also didn’t like the car and that he has the same feedback as Daniel. Yet, he can adapt.

Even recently, Lando said that he’s still adapting to this years car.

This car still retains understeer like previous McLarens which Lando has learnt to deal with over the last 3 years and hone his driving style around even if he mentioned he is still not happy with the current car. It was also clearly explained in that video.

I'd argue at some tracks Dan has learnt to adapt to an extent already. How else was he on Landos pace in Bahrain, Saudi, Australia and Imola then? It's still obviously a work in progress but he has improved alot on last year, Seidl mentioned it again recently. Anyway it's clear some want to believe Dan has just lost it and it has nothing to do with the car or his driving style which is their prerogative. I disagree based on my assessment of all the data available so happy to leave it at that and see how things pan out. Otherwise we are just going around in circles.

[billamend]

Imagine how pathetic would it be to hear a driver like Alonso saying that he can’t adapt to the car. People would, rightfully, tear him apart. With Ricciardo there is an army of apologists.

[diffuser]

Imagine how pathetic would it be to hear a driver like Alonso saying that he can’t adapt to the car. People would, rightfully, tear him apart. With Ricciardo there is an army of apologists.

Sounds like Dan likes his car much like Max does. Wondering if he would struggle with it too?

[mwillems]

Imagine how pathetic would it be to hear a driver like Alonso saying that he can’t adapt to the car. People would, rightfully, tear him apart. With Ricciardo there is an army of apologists.

Nobody tore Jenson Button apart.

[JPower]

yes, they thought it would be less of an issue than it was in the tests on 2021 cars with the big wheels. Turns out it wasn't, that's a very old quote. If you go look at the teams and drivers talking about the car, Newey, Max, Hamilton, Wolfe, Sainz, Leclerc....they're all saying they struggle with understeer.

Leclerc mentioned at Monaco about having alot of oversteer.

"It was really on the limit. I had quite a bit of oversteer and I struggled to put the tyres in the right window in the last sector because there was a bit of traffic."


https://racingnews365-com.cdn.ampprojec ... o-pole-lap

The Ferrari does have a tendency towards oversteer however, the front end is still weak in comparison to the cars of the past. It's very evident in low speed corners. I've seen almost all of the drivers this year try to crank on steering lock just to have the front tires give up the ghost causing the drivers to correct mid-corner.