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[Gillian]

I think Perez took a bit more out of them on the initial laps to get Charles out of the DRS and the larger tow area. Good call really.

Looking at what could have happened if Lec didnt retire, and given the VSC caused by Magnusson, then it would have been interesting to see Fresh Meds on the Ferrari and Fresh hard on the Bulls. Ric showed the Medium didnt really have the pace to fully close in. Although given the Alpine was lightening quick on the straight.

Pleased with the points haul this weekend. Put good gap between RB and Fer in the WCC (80points) and Checo moves up to second with a little gap to charles.

Verstappen has better tire management than Perez. Over a single lap there's not a lot between them, though I suspect the gap to be a little bigger once the car has a bit sharper frontend.
You can see it clearly really, Verstappen's lap times are really consistent and have a pretty flat dropoff. Perez looses more time over a stint. I think that's why they told him not to fight at that point in the race.

Perez "the tire whisperer" is one of the biggest myths I've seen in all the years I've watched F1.

[Spoutnik]

Verstappen is just overated in qualy (Jeddah 2021 lap ?). He's a Sunday guy. He's consistent and now how to nurse the tyres.

All his wins IIRC before 2021 were not from pole apart Brazil 2019.

[Gillian]

Verstappen is just overated in qualy (Jeddah 2021 lap ?). He's a Sunday guy. He's consistent and now how to nurse the tyres.

All his wins IIRC before 2021 were not from pole apart Brazil 2019.

I would not say overrated, he's up there with the best. How can you even say overrated if you look at how often and by how much he has out qualified his teammates? And then if he gets outqualified, and that's IF, it's only a tiny margin.

Perez is doing a fantastic job in qualy but he's taking big risks to get ahead of Verstappen by a hair. And then burns through his tires trying to stay ahead.

[Silent Storm]

Interview with Pierre Waché, technical director of Red Bull Racing and man with a PhD in fluid mechanics.

He is surprised that Red Bull was immediately so competitive and explains why the RB18 is not yet doing exactly what Max Verstappen wants.

It seems that the Silverstone update will fix or help give max the front end he wants.

[Big Tea]

Verstappen is just overated in qualy (Jeddah 2021 lap ?). He's a Sunday guy. He's consistent and now how to nurse the tyres.

All his wins IIRC before 2021 were not from pole apart Brazil 2019.

I would not say overrated, he's up there with the best. How can you even say overrated if you look at how often and by how much he has out qualified his teammates? And then if he gets outqualified, and that's IF, it's only a tiny margin.

Perez is doing a fantastic job in qualy but he's taking big risks to get ahead of Verstappen by a hair. And then burns through his tires trying to stay ahead.

Max has not really had a good measure until now. Not saying the other driver has been inferior, but they have not been happy with the car and Max has. Now both are happy with the car it is easier to make a comparison.
I think most weeks Quali could go either way, but it would have to be 70/30 to Max on Sunday.

[Spoutnik]

Verstappen is just overated in qualy (Jeddah 2021 lap ?). He's a Sunday guy. He's consistent and now how to nurse the tyres.

All his wins IIRC before 2021 were not from pole apart Brazil 2019.

I would not say overrated, he's up there with the best. How can you even say overrated if you look at how often and by how much he has out qualified his teammates? And then if he gets outqualified, and that's IF, it's only a tiny margin.

Perez is doing a fantastic job in qualy but he's taking big risks to get ahead of Verstappen by a hair. And then burns through his tires trying to stay ahead.

Overrated by the media/fan due to his lap at Jeddah last year. He's a very very good qualifier, but like Hamilton these day (who was often beaten by Bottas, like Max is by Perez). I don't think he's at the level of Leclerc, or of prime Vettel or prime Hamilton on that aspect. It's not such a big deal apart at Monaco.

[Gillian]

Verstappen is just overated in qualy (Jeddah 2021 lap ?). He's a Sunday guy. He's consistent and now how to nurse the tyres.

All his wins IIRC before 2021 were not from pole apart Brazil 2019.

I would not say overrated, he's up there with the best. How can you even say overrated if you look at how often and by how much he has out qualified his teammates? And then if he gets outqualified, and that's IF, it's only a tiny margin.

Perez is doing a fantastic job in qualy but he's taking big risks to get ahead of Verstappen by a hair. And then burns through his tires trying to stay ahead.

Overrated by the media/fan due to his lap at Jeddah last year. He's a very very good qualifier, but like Hamilton these day (who was often beaten by Bottas, like Max is by Perez). I don't think he's at the level of Leclerc, or of prime Vettel or prime Hamilton on that aspect. It's not such a big deal apart at Monaco.

Ah okay gotcha.

I think Verstappen is better over a single lap than Hamilton ever was, but not by much. Leclerc this season has been mega I agree. I'm not sure about Vettel. Some laps Vettel did with that blown diffuser are insane, I still get goosebumps from some of his Monaco laps. But I find it hard to compare because my gut says that car was so good I feel like Verstappen, Leclerc or Hamilton in that same car could have done the same. Just gut feeling, no evidence.

[Ryar]

Verstappen is just overated in qualy (Jeddah 2021 lap ?). He's a Sunday guy. He's consistent and now how to nurse the tyres.

All his wins IIRC before 2021 were not from pole apart Brazil 2019.

I would not say overrated, he's up there with the best. How can you even say overrated if you look at how often and by how much he has out qualified his teammates? And then if he gets outqualified, and that's IF, it's only a tiny margin.

Perez is doing a fantastic job in qualy but he's taking big risks to get ahead of Verstappen by a hair. And then burns through his tires trying to stay ahead.

Overrated by the media/fan due to his lap at Jeddah last year. He's a very very good qualifier, but like Hamilton these day (who was often beaten by Bottas, like Max is by Perez). I don't think he's at the level of Leclerc, or of prime Vettel or prime Hamilton on that aspect. It's not such a big deal apart at Monaco.

He knows Ferrari has a strong qualifying car and doesn't want to compete there and instead, going for race pace with good tyre management. Not that he can't go for pole laps. The car doesn't have the bite he needs for one lap pace due to inherent understeer, hence putting faith in race setup. Ferrari has inherent tyre eating behavior, but is quite pointy that allows Charles to go for those insane quali laps. Checo is chasing one lap pace to impress and is severely compromising himself in races.

[Gillian]

Verstappen is just overated in qualy (Jeddah 2021 lap ?). He's a Sunday guy. He's consistent and now how to nurse the tyres.

All his wins IIRC before 2021 were not from pole apart Brazil 2019.

I would not say overrated, he's up there with the best. How can you even say overrated if you look at how often and by how much he has out qualified his teammates? And then if he gets outqualified, and that's IF, it's only a tiny margin.

Perez is doing a fantastic job in qualy but he's taking big risks to get ahead of Verstappen by a hair. And then burns through his tires trying to stay ahead.

Max has not really had a good measure until now. Not saying the other driver has been inferior, but they have not been happy with the car and Max has. Now both are happy with the car it is easier to make a comparison.
I think most weeks Quali could go either way, but it would have to be 70/30 to Max on Sunday.

That's unfair isn't it? Verstappen is not happy with the car at this moment, but he still beats his teammate. So if you're going to disregard former results because the other drivers where unhappy (ofcourse they where, they where loosing big time), then why is a comparison right now fair? You either look at all the data or not.

We'll see what happens when the front is responsive again.

[Gillian]

I would not say overrated, he's up there with the best. How can you even say overrated if you look at how often and by how much he has out qualified his teammates? And then if he gets outqualified, and that's IF, it's only a tiny margin.

Perez is doing a fantastic job in qualy but he's taking big risks to get ahead of Verstappen by a hair. And then burns through his tires trying to stay ahead.

Overrated by the media/fan due to his lap at Jeddah last year. He's a very very good qualifier, but like Hamilton these day (who was often beaten by Bottas, like Max is by Perez). I don't think he's at the level of Leclerc, or of prime Vettel or prime Hamilton on that aspect. It's not such a big deal apart at Monaco.

He knows Ferrari has a strong qualifying car and doesn't want to compete there and instead, going for race pace with good tyre management. Not that he can't go for pole laps. The car doesn't have the bite he needs for one lap pace due to inherent understeer, hence putting faith in race setup. Ferrari has inherent tyre eating behavior, but is quite pointy that allows Charles to go for those insane quali laps. Checo is chasing one lap pace to impress and is severely compromising himself in races.

No, the car setups hardly differ between Perez and Verstappen. Perez consistently brakes later on his pole laps and that's where he gains just enough to stay ahead of Verstappen. It's part driving style (Verstappen is an early braker anyway) and part high risk approach of Perez, but definitely not down to car setup.

[Spoutnik]

I would not say overrated, he's up there with the best. How can you even say overrated if you look at how often and by how much he has out qualified his teammates? And then if he gets outqualified, and that's IF, it's only a tiny margin.

Perez is doing a fantastic job in qualy but he's taking big risks to get ahead of Verstappen by a hair. And then burns through his tires trying to stay ahead.

Overrated by the media/fan due to his lap at Jeddah last year. He's a very very good qualifier, but like Hamilton these day (who was often beaten by Bottas, like Max is by Perez). I don't think he's at the level of Leclerc, or of prime Vettel or prime Hamilton on that aspect. It's not such a big deal apart at Monaco.

Ah okay gotcha.

I think Verstappen is better over a single lap than Hamilton ever was, but not by much. Leclerc this season has been mega I agree. I'm not sure about Vettel. Some laps Vettel did with that blown diffuser are insane, I still get goosebumps from some of his Monaco laps. But I find it hard to compare because my gut says that car was so good I feel like Verstappen, Leclerc or Hamilton in that same car could have done the same. Just gut feeling, no evidence.

Hamilton, at the beggining of his career, was a qualy specialist to me. Even in 2013 he did some insane pole lap with the Merc against the RB.
Leclerc said Vettel his just unbeatable over one lap on his day, and I think he's right the pole lap at Singapore 2013 still haunt me, Singapore 2017 too. Leclerc himself look out of his world I think he's the best qualifier I've ever seen apart from Senna. Some of his lap in 2020 with the SF1000 were unbelievable : Silverstone and Sakhir for example. At Spa 2019 he put 0.7 sec to Seb for the pole..
My feeling is that Verstappen just don't really car about qualy, that's why he never looks disappointed even if he's starting P4.

[lh13]

Overrated by the media/fan due to his lap at Jeddah last year. He's a very very good qualifier, but like Hamilton these day (who was often beaten by Bottas, like Max is by Perez). I don't think he's at the level of Leclerc, or of prime Vettel or prime Hamilton on that aspect. It's not such a big deal apart at Monaco.

He knows Ferrari has a strong qualifying car and doesn't want to compete there and instead, going for race pace with good tyre management. Not that he can't go for pole laps. The car doesn't have the bite he needs for one lap pace due to inherent understeer, hence putting faith in race setup. Ferrari has inherent tyre eating behavior, but is quite pointy that allows Charles to go for those insane quali laps. Checo is chasing one lap pace to impress and is severely compromising himself in races.

No, the car setups hardly differ between Perez and Verstappen. Perez consistently brakes later on his pole laps and that's where he gains just enough to stay ahead of Verstappen. It's part driving style (Verstappen is an early braker anyway) and part high risk approach of Perez, but definitely not down to car setup.

Why does Perez get worse tyre degradation when he's some sort of a specialist at tire management, if setups are not different? He's yet to match Max's race pace this year, and that is down to the tires I believe.

[Sieper]

Verstappen is just overated in qualy (Jeddah 2021 lap ?). He's a Sunday guy. He's consistent and now how to nurse the tyres.

All his wins IIRC before 2021 were not from pole apart Brazil 2019.

I would not say overrated, he's up there with the best. How can you even say overrated if you look at how often and by how much he has out qualified his teammates? And then if he gets outqualified, and that's IF, it's only a tiny margin.

Perez is doing a fantastic job in qualy but he's taking big risks to get ahead of Verstappen by a hair. And then burns through his tires trying to stay ahead.

Max has not really had a good measure until now. Not saying the other driver has been inferior, but they have not been happy with the car and Max has. Now both are happy with the car it is easier to make a comparison.
I think most weeks Quali could go either way, but it would have to be 70/30 to Max on Sunday.

Max even this season has a decent qualy gap on Perez. Look at the numbers. Not only the score. The average time gap. And he is not yet happy with where the car is. It is also clear to see when you see the Ferrari go in qualy. Totally solid while the Bull has to be whipped through the corners.

[Sieper]

Overrated by the media/fan due to his lap at Jeddah last year. He's a very very good qualifier, but like Hamilton these day (who was often beaten by Bottas, like Max is by Perez). I don't think he's at the level of Leclerc, or of prime Vettel or prime Hamilton on that aspect. It's not such a big deal apart at Monaco.

He knows Ferrari has a strong qualifying car and doesn't want to compete there and instead, going for race pace with good tyre management. Not that he can't go for pole laps. The car doesn't have the bite he needs for one lap pace due to inherent understeer, hence putting faith in race setup. Ferrari has inherent tyre eating behavior, but is quite pointy that allows Charles to go for those insane quali laps. Checo is chasing one lap pace to impress and is severely compromising himself in races.

No, the car setups hardly differ between Perez and Verstappen. Perez consistently brakes later on his pole laps and that's where he gains just enough to stay ahead of Verstappen. It's part driving style (Verstappen is an early braker anyway) and part high risk approach of Perez, but definitely not down to car setup.

Perez hit the wall in every session of Q. Max can’t do that, perhaps even does not need to do that, he is in the battle with Leclerc.

[Big Tea]

I would not say overrated, he's up there with the best. How can you even say overrated if you look at how often and by how much he has out qualified his teammates? And then if he gets outqualified, and that's IF, it's only a tiny margin.

Perez is doing a fantastic job in qualy but he's taking big risks to get ahead of Verstappen by a hair. And then burns through his tires trying to stay ahead.

Max has not really had a good measure until now. Not saying the other driver has been inferior, but they have not been happy with the car and Max has. Now both are happy with the car it is easier to make a comparison.
I think most weeks Quali could go either way, but it would have to be 70/30 to Max on Sunday.

That's unfair isn't it? Verstappen is not happy with the car at this moment, but he still beats his teammate. So if you're going to disregard former results because the other drivers where unhappy (ofcourse they where, they where loosing big time), then why is a comparison right now fair? You either look at all the data or not.

We'll see what happens when the front is responsive again.

When I say Max is not unhappy with the car I have no doubt he would like it more to his liking, but I am comparing to the previous car where both Albon and Gasly found it almost undrivable. No doubt Max was not 100% happy with it himself, but one of his skills seems to be that he is able to drive anything and get a decent drive out of it.

It is comparative, but to match him V the two above, even though they seem good drivers is still not a fair comparison, not due to Max failings, but to his ability to get around it.