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Apparently RB reckons they were 3-4 tenths faster on race pace than Ferrari at Baku. Marko said the advantage was greater on hards than mediums. Of course it's hard to say though because the race didn't play out but signs are good, especially if they keep having Perez pressuring Leclerc to tailor his setup to quali which allows Max to fully go towards a race setup & to collect dividends on Sunday

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14 Jun 2022, 02:11
https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... se-rennen/

Apparently RB reckons they were 3-4 tenths faster on race pace than Ferrari at Baku. Marko said the advantage was greater on hards than mediums. Of course it's hard to say though because the race didn't play out but signs are good, especially if they keep having Perez pressuring Leclerc to tailor his setup to quali which allows Max to fully go towards a race setup & to collect dividends on Sunday
That's ominous for RB if true.
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PlatinumZealot wrote:
14 Jun 2022, 00:11
Checo grained his rears in the race. Definitely a bit overzealous on the throttle then. Perhaps nervous of winning.
Checo not being able to hang with Max or Leclerc is pretty typical this season, and last for that matter. Never undertood the tyre whisperer myth.

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He has proven it over the years. Similar to Jenson Button. It's not the fastest way of course. Guys like Max and Lewis can drive fast and balance out the wear but they aren't really the best if you ask them to drive a long steady stint.
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PlatinumZealot wrote:
14 Jun 2022, 05:21
He has proven it over the years. Similar to Jenson Button. It's not the fastest way of course. Guys like Max and Lewis can drive fast and balance out the wear but they aren't really the best if you ask them to drive a long steady stint.

Really? When you look at the laptime charts, Ham/Ver are often very steady.
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Checo is good on tyres only when there is no pressure, to push to retain position or to attack and gain a position. But if he has to be in a fight, then he can't manage it and he never chases anyone with all his might either. We saw it this year in Jeddah and Miami. After a couple of feeble attempts, he gives up and sits behind till the end of the race. He didn't even attempt in Baku in second stint. He is not in the league of Max who can manage his tyres whether he is attacking or defending aggressively. As Horner mentioned in the post race interview with Sky, Perez went with a setup biased towards quali, which made him look like he has gained tons of speed whereas Max has been just focusing on race.
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AR3-GP wrote:
14 Jun 2022, 05:56
PlatinumZealot wrote:
14 Jun 2022, 05:21
He has proven it over the years. Similar to Jenson Button. It's not the fastest way of course. Guys like Max and Lewis can drive fast and balance out the wear but they aren't really the best if you ask them to drive a long steady stint.

Really? When you look at the laptime charts, Ham/Ver are often very steady.
Very much so indeed.

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14 Jun 2022, 15:44

How cool is that. Sitting behind the world champion in a two-seater. That would be my biggest dream [-o<
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napoleon1981 wrote:
14 Jun 2022, 05:00
PlatinumZealot wrote:
14 Jun 2022, 00:11
Checo grained his rears in the race. Definitely a bit overzealous on the throttle then. Perhaps nervous of winning.
Checo not being able to hang with Max or Leclerc is pretty typical this season, and last for that matter. Never undertood the tyre whisperer myth.
As Horner said, Checo focus (read sacrifies) his car set-up for qualification while Max focuses on race trim. Hence explaining the difference...
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Espresso wrote:
14 Jun 2022, 20:17
napoleon1981 wrote:
14 Jun 2022, 05:00
PlatinumZealot wrote:
14 Jun 2022, 00:11
Checo grained his rears in the race. Definitely a bit overzealous on the throttle then. Perhaps nervous of winning.
Checo not being able to hang with Max or Leclerc is pretty typical this season, and last for that matter. Never undertood the tyre whisperer myth.
As Horner said, Checo focus (read sacrifies) his car set-up for qualification while Max focuses on race trim. Hence explaining the difference...
Just curious, how do you set up for Q? If I look at the times then PER then he wins big in sector 1, is equal in sector 2 and loses some in sector 3. Would that mean he keeps the tires hotter on the straight at the expense of overheating on the twisty bits?

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PlatinumZealot wrote:
14 Jun 2022, 05:21
He has proven it over the years. Similar to Jenson Button. It's not the fastest way of course. Guys like Max and Lewis can drive fast and balance out the wear but they aren't really the best if you ask them to drive a long steady stint.
This is so not true. They drive away AND keep the tires alive. Time and time again. Lewis did it to Bottas all the time, and Max has been doing it to Checo since day 1. Quite frankly I believe this is the trait that has made Max and Lewis (and now Charles) so dominant over their team mates. They can keep the tires alive while their team mates can't. In quali its close, or sometimes they get beaten, but then in the race a few laps in its over done and dusted.

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Espresso wrote:
14 Jun 2022, 20:17
napoleon1981 wrote:
14 Jun 2022, 05:00
PlatinumZealot wrote:
14 Jun 2022, 00:11
Checo grained his rears in the race. Definitely a bit overzealous on the throttle then. Perhaps nervous of winning.
Checo not being able to hang with Max or Leclerc is pretty typical this season, and last for that matter. Never undertood the tyre whisperer myth.
As Horner said, Checo focus (read sacrifies) his car set-up for qualification while Max focuses on race trim. Hence explaining the difference...
That's not what Horner actually said. The thing with Horner is you need to read/listen carefully what he says because he talks like a politician.

Perez just took too much out of the tires, compared to Verstappen, like he has been doing since race one at RB. Temps dropped too much during the safety car which only worsened it. A little graining on the tires followed by too low temperatures... After that the pace deficit between the 2 was too big and Verstappen could catch him easily.

It's so reminiscent of Bottas 10.0 vs Hamilton. Just replace Verstappen and Perez names with Hamilton and Bottas. The exact same things where said about Bottas focussing his setup on qualifying and Hamilton on the race bla bla.

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napoleon1981 wrote:
14 Jun 2022, 22:46
PlatinumZealot wrote:
14 Jun 2022, 05:21
He has proven it over the years. Similar to Jenson Button. It's not the fastest way of course. Guys like Max and Lewis can drive fast and balance out the wear but they aren't really the best if you ask them to drive a long steady stint.
This is so not true. They drive away AND keep the tires alive. Time and time again. Lewis did it to Bottas all the time, and Max has been doing it to Checo since day 1. Quite frankly I believe this is the trait that has made Max and Lewis (and now Charles) so dominant over their team mates. They can keep the tires alive while their team mates can't. In quali its close, or sometimes they get beaten, but then in the race a few laps in its over done and dusted.
Lol we where typing the same thing at the same time. Well said =D>