It says-Teams must calculate the AOM for their car based on three laps in FP3, without using DRS.JordanMugen wrote: ↑17 Jun 2022, 08:48It's straightforward. If you go over the vertical acceleration limits you get disqualifed, perhaps with a black flag shown during the session. Therefore you must err on the side of caution and allow plenty of margin!
Well we know that Mercedes and Ferrari are the ones which are porpoising most. The question is if others jump much less than the set value, than this means Merc and Ferrari will be the ones which will suffer mosty by this. If Mclaren, AT, AR, AM, Haas and Williams are in safe value, than Mercedes will be scrapping for points if they will even manage to get them at all. Their pledge for change might be them shooting themself in the knee.
So like I said they have to err on the side of caution and allow plenty of safety margin (pun intended) in their car settings before porpoising starts to avoid disqualification, i.e., not run it on the limit of porpoising but rather set the ride height 10mm or 20mm above where porpoising starts.Big Tea wrote: ↑17 Jun 2022, 13:34It says-Teams must calculate the AOM for their car based on three laps in FP3, without using DRS.JordanMugen wrote: ↑17 Jun 2022, 08:48It's straightforward. If you go over the vertical acceleration limits you get disqualifed, perhaps with a black flag shown during the session. Therefore you must err on the side of caution and allow plenty of margin!
Once the car's AOM has been determined, set-up decisions such as ride height, vertical stiffness and aerodynamic configurations will be locked in place for the remainder of the weekend.
So they have to start with things as they were in FP3 and there are variables which they may or may not know until the first few race laps.
Nothing! Instead celebrating the excellent new ground effect regulations!johnny comelately wrote: ↑17 Jun 2022, 15:11What are we going to argue about when the porpoises are fixed?
Surely these changes are to the benefit of Red Bull. They have been running at the front of the field with much less of the bouncing phenomenon than their nearest competitor, Ferrari, and much much less than the next best, Mercedes. At least that’s what the armchair experts’ eyeball assessment is.Shrieker wrote: ↑17 Jun 2022, 17:12I have conflicting feelings about the latest from FIA.
On one hand, assuming changes / limits are expected from all teams, any requested change would be unfair towards Red Bull, who seem to have nailed their car in the new formula.
On the other, what happens if others close the performance gap and Red Bull too have to run their car even more marginally setup wise, and suddenly they start bouncing as well - maybe not as bad as the others, but certainly enough to cause issues to the drivers.
But are we sure the RB as less vertical acceleration than the others? I think visual analysis is very tricky because of this:henry wrote: ↑17 Jun 2022, 17:56
Surely these changes are to the benefit of Red Bull. They have been running at the front of the field with much less of the bouncing phenomenon than their nearest competitor, Ferrari, and much much less than the next best, Mercedes. At least that’s what the armchair experts’ eyeball assessment is.
It's a complete solution. If the teams are effectively forced to set up the car such that oscillations won't happen then the problem is obviously solved. People throw around "band-aid" for things they don't like...
This change will hinder Mercedes. Their car bounces the most, so they will need to drop the most performance.
Have u seen Skyf1 video interview of James Allison, Brundle and even Horner... they are all against it. I was surprised how against this TD is redbull and Co. It looks like once the rules comes everyone's set up, suspension settings and engine modes would be made public...hence Horner is against it... JA had said u need those transparency otherwise they are also against the rule... looks like this TD will bring out the redbulls secrets..mzso wrote: ↑18 Jun 2022, 09:49It's a complete solution. If the teams are effectively forced to set up the car such that oscillations won't happen then the problem is obviously solved. People throw around "band-aid" for things they don't like...
If that results in some teams losing performance (Ferrari, Mercedes) then that's their problem...
JA said NOTHING of the sort in that interview. Stop making stuff up again to suit your narrative. It’s seriously getting boringsiskue2005 wrote: ↑18 Jun 2022, 12:14Have u seen Skyf1 video interview of James Allison, Brundle and even Horner... they are all against it. I was surprised how against this TD is redbull and Co. It looks like once the rules comes everyone's set up, suspension settings and engine modes would be made public...hence Horner is against it... JA had said u need those transparency otherwise they are also against the rule... looks like this TD will bring out the redbulls secrets..mzso wrote: ↑18 Jun 2022, 09:49It's a complete solution. If the teams are effectively forced to set up the car such that oscillations won't happen then the problem is obviously solved. People throw around "band-aid" for things they don't like...
If that results in some teams losing performance (Ferrari, Mercedes) then that's their problem...
Exactly. Height fixations are a band-aid. This is actually setting proper regs to avoid the problem happens in the first place. Much better.mzso wrote: ↑18 Jun 2022, 09:49It's a complete solution. If the teams are effectively forced to set up the car such that oscillations won't happen then the problem is obviously solved. People throw around "band-aid" for things they don't like...
If that results in some teams losing performance (Ferrari, Mercedes) then that's their problem...
James Allison on the TD101FlyingDutchman wrote: ↑18 Jun 2022, 12:17JA said NOTHING of the sort in that interview. Stop making stuff up again to suit your narrative. It’s seriously getting boringsiskue2005 wrote: ↑18 Jun 2022, 12:14Have u seen Skyf1 video interview of James Allison, Brundle and even Horner... they are all against it. I was surprised how against this TD is redbull and Co. It looks like once the rules comes everyone's set up, suspension settings and engine modes would be made public...hence Horner is against it... JA had said u need those transparency otherwise they are also against the rule... looks like this TD will bring out the redbulls secrets..mzso wrote: ↑18 Jun 2022, 09:49
It's a complete solution. If the teams are effectively forced to set up the car such that oscillations won't happen then the problem is obviously solved. People throw around "band-aid" for things they don't like...
If that results in some teams losing performance (Ferrari, Mercedes) then that's their problem...