101FlyingDutchman wrote: ↑18 Jun 2022, 12:47
siskue2005 wrote: ↑18 Jun 2022, 12:39
101FlyingDutchman wrote: ↑18 Jun 2022, 12:38
You said quote: “ I was surprised how against this TD is redbull and Co. It looks like once the rules comes everyone's set up, suspension settings and engine modes would be made public...hence Horner is against it... JA had said u need those transparency otherwise they are also against the rule... looks like this TD will bring out the redbulls secrets..”
All that JA said was that they really have to have transparency on what is being measured/where it’s being measured and that the measurement is available at all times with live data on all the teams. He didn’t mention anything about setup / suspension “settings” (whatever that means) and engine modes.
Fwiw I agree with JA. Measuring of vertical G has got a number of pitfalls/traps that need to be overcome if they want this to be the “solution”
Did I say JA said he needs setups??? I said JA needs transparency.
Just read again what I said it was Horner who commented about setups.
You said: JA had said you need those transparency. With reference to your previous sentence. Maybe it’s the way you’ve written it then because it most certainly reads that way
I read that the same way as ourself. Irrespective of setup, engine mode, the key to pandora's box, The measured oscillations would be the measured same across each car, however the data fed back would differ in terms of porpoising/bouncing/ risk to driver. I think that is what JA is saying when the spoke that in the interview. The teams will need to see the data from that sensor in order to see whats going on in regards to the rules of the new TD. Otherwise your on the FIA to police the issue and hope its done fairly. Thats why JA needs to data so they can watch what other cars are doing and report them to the stewards, or find some other way they can gain a possible advantage from other teams being outside the new limits set by the FIA. Could say same for anything else really. RPM, fuel flow, etc etc. If teams seen someone outside the limits then they get a investigation started (broad parameters I know but examples)
JonoNic wrote: ↑18 Jun 2022, 13:13
What about something as trivial as running over rumble strips causing the limit to be reached? Would this measurement be based on a peak during a particular lap or the duration of that lap?
Thats another area that needs to be looked at before this TD can be fully enforced. Granted I do think the FIA will look at the levels outside the requirements of the bouncing at each area of the track. For example race start, madness at the first corner and one car goes over the sausage kerbs triggering the limits, I believe that would be looked at in terms of a incident rather than a problem with the setup.
One possibility is its only over xxxkm/h speed wise where your more likely to get the bouncing, which would take out the equation a lot of the corners if the limit was say 225-250kmh (I know know what speeds the bouncing starts, however used that number range as an example. Its impossible to know without the data to see what speeds the porpoising/bouncing starts).
Or you have it on certain sections of the track straights or its measured say 15metres (example) from a corner entry and exit, which will rule out kerbing.
It will be a interesting one for sure on how this is going to be enforced across the remainder of the season and into seasons to follow with this philosophy of cars. I believe Horner was right to mention that teams should have been part of discussion into the solutions, 'band aids' to this problem rather than slapping a TD down on the table with no meaningful ways of policing it, how its going to be enforced etc etc.
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.