Absolutely, any parts they add to the car that do not work are valuable to a certain extent.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑29 Jun 2022, 08:52If a failure helps to point you in the direction towards success, it's not a waste. For a team that was struggling, even data that says "this is the wrong way to go" is good data.
“I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work.”AR3-GP wrote: ↑29 Jun 2022, 23:12Absolutely, any parts they add to the car that do not work are valuable to a certain extent.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑29 Jun 2022, 08:52If a failure helps to point you in the direction towards success, it's not a waste. For a team that was struggling, even data that says "this is the wrong way to go" is good data.
Did you see the race. The Mercs were still porpoising. Not as bad as at Baku but they were porpoising and nothing that Toto says can dismiss what you can see on the footage which clearly shows them doing it still.mantikos wrote: ↑29 Jun 2022, 15:17You must know something they don'tcarisi2k wrote: ↑29 Jun 2022, 13:45They still porpoiseJust_a_fan wrote: ↑29 Jun 2022, 08:52If a failure helps to point you in the direction towards success, it's not a waste. For a team that was struggling, even data that says "this is the wrong way to go" is good data.
Saving money by not crashing I will agree with. However the Merc has had that new front wing endplate and they have added the Red Bull style quasi barge boards at the tunnel entrance. That second stay which caused a lot of fuss in Canada and there rear wing and diffuser has gone through a few iterations as well. Oh and they have added the skate as well.mkay wrote: ↑29 Jun 2022, 15:48
A lot of the development was literally taking a saw and sawing off parts of the floor or the rear wing, which they've done several times this season. They haven't actually engineered many "new spec" parts unlike other teams which have introduced multiple specs of sidepods, floors, and wings in comparison.
Did you hear the engineers? they say that isn't porpoising but mechanical bouncing.
No doubt there is some of that as well but in the straight line at Baku and Canada that is porpoising.mantikos wrote: ↑30 Jun 2022, 01:09Did you hear the engineers? they say that isn't porpoising but mechanical bouncing.
Well, I was trying to see the positives....Big Tea wrote: ↑29 Jun 2022, 23:23“I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work.”AR3-GP wrote: ↑29 Jun 2022, 23:12Absolutely, any parts they add to the car that do not work are valuable to a certain extent.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑29 Jun 2022, 08:52
If a failure helps to point you in the direction towards success, it's not a waste. For a team that was struggling, even data that says "this is the wrong way to go" is good data.
Thomas Edison
Did you see how much of a bodge job that second floor stay was in Canada? It wouldn’t surprise me if that was made up from bits laying around the garage.carisi2k wrote: ↑30 Jun 2022, 00:28Saving money by not crashing I will agree with. However the Merc has had that new front wing endplate and they have added the Red Bull style quasi barge boards at the tunnel entrance. That second stay which caused a lot of fuss in Canada and there rear wing and diffuser has gone through a few iterations as well. Oh and they have added the skate as well.mkay wrote: ↑29 Jun 2022, 15:48
A lot of the development was literally taking a saw and sawing off parts of the floor or the rear wing, which they've done several times this season. They haven't actually engineered many "new spec" parts unlike other teams which have introduced multiple specs of sidepods, floors, and wings in comparison.
Which is almost exactly what Merc said it was.morefirejules08 wrote: ↑30 Jun 2022, 08:28Did you see how much of a bodge job that second floor stay was in Canada? It wouldn’t surprise me if that was made up from bits laying around the garage.carisi2k wrote: ↑30 Jun 2022, 00:28Saving money by not crashing I will agree with. However the Merc has had that new front wing endplate and they have added the Red Bull style quasi barge boards at the tunnel entrance. That second stay which caused a lot of fuss in Canada and there rear wing and diffuser has gone through a few iterations as well. Oh and they have added the skate as well.mkay wrote: ↑29 Jun 2022, 15:48
A lot of the development was literally taking a saw and sawing off parts of the floor or the rear wing, which they've done several times this season. They haven't actually engineered many "new spec" parts unlike other teams which have introduced multiple specs of sidepods, floors, and wings in comparison.
Glad you know better than F1 engineers!!
I do not want to get into this discussion, but at the moment i would not blindly trust the engineers of Mercedes as porpoising has become a political thing. And because of negative implications on their performance when they are forced to raise the ride height - no Mercedes engineer would admit its porpoising. So at the moment - i think it is not wrong to doubt what Mercedes engineers say in that regard and put more trust into ones own eyes.
Regarding this Toto`s statement and HAM`s one that said they`ve raised the car, there are rumours saying they are working flat out on designing a floor with a new and bigger diffuser ramp that in conjunction with a higher rake it will increase and surpass the downforce produced by the Venturi tunnels...basti313 wrote: ↑29 Jun 2022, 15:59...mkay wrote: ↑29 Jun 2022, 15:48A lot of the development was literally taking a saw and sawing off parts of the floor or the rear wing, which they've done several times this season. They haven't actually engineered many "new spec" parts unlike other teams which have introduced multiple specs of sidepods, floors, and wings in comparison.
With the comments of Toto, that porpoising is ok now, I guess we will also see the evolution on the W13, most probably with a floor that brings it a bit up.
