And they're hiring 75 more people to bring the total employees to 950.Alonsismo wrote: ↑19 Jul 2022, 20:53now we have the 4th fastest car on racepace and the 3rd/4th fastest (almost tied with merc) on qualy pace.
Alpine can step up to the top for the next season.
not with a dominant car, but with a 4 teams battle for the championsip.
Alpine can create a 2012 lotus for the next year, and with this car, Fernando can win the championship.
With all due respect , Alpine will not be able to produce a race winning car for next few years. Somewhere i feel they dnt have redbull kinda innovative mindset , mercedes kinda talent and pressure to succeed like ferrari. They have been here for fun and be part of show. They lack what it takes "killer instinct" to be there.diffuser wrote: ↑19 Jul 2022, 22:49And they're hiring 75 more people to bring the total employees to 950.Alonsismo wrote: ↑19 Jul 2022, 20:53now we have the 4th fastest car on racepace and the 3rd/4th fastest (almost tied with merc) on qualy pace.
Alpine can step up to the top for the next season.
not with a dominant car, but with a 4 teams battle for the championsip.
Alpine can create a 2012 lotus for the next year, and with this car, Fernando can win the championship.
But they do lose out, not much but ultimately they get rid of their best or 2nd best driver and keep the 3rd best because they made him a long term deal. The ideal alpine partnership in terms of raw pace (ofc this is assuming piastri delivers on the hype) is alonso and piastri. Not ocon.JordanMugen wrote: ↑19 Jul 2022, 04:25That would be ideal but it is not necessarily possible, so Piastri may have to debut for Alpine directly like Norris at McLaren. A direct Alpine debut for Piastri seems a very sensible option -- if Piastri is quick and consistent, which is likely the case, Alpine don't lose anything... They prepare their junior driver and save money compared to expensive veteran drivers.diffuser wrote: ↑19 Jul 2022, 04:02It all depends on weather Alpine considers itself in the Merc category or in the Williams category. If they're shooting to compete with "Mercs", then Pilastri belongs on a William's or SAT like team so his skills can be assessed and honed out of the limelight somewhat. Like Russell, Max, Charles, Saintz, Albon, Vettel, Alonzo, Ocon, Perez and Ricciardo did.
The Norris debut at McLaren (coincidentally also in place of a departing Alonso) went quite well after all, and likely Piastri's debut will also go well for Alpine. It doesn't seem that McLaren would have gained anything by placing Norris at Williams for two or three seasons.
Piastri is an unknown. He has the abilities to be the next Verstappen or the next Vandorne. Only time will tell.Alonso Fan wrote: ↑20 Jul 2022, 19:28But they do lose out, not much but ultimately they get rid of their best or 2nd best driver and keep the 3rd best because they made him a long term deal. The ideal alpine partnership in terms of raw pace (ofc this is assuming piastri delivers on the hype) is alonso and piastri. Not ocon.JordanMugen wrote: ↑19 Jul 2022, 04:25That would be ideal but it is not necessarily possible, so Piastri may have to debut for Alpine directly like Norris at McLaren. A direct Alpine debut for Piastri seems a very sensible option -- if Piastri is quick and consistent, which is likely the case, Alpine don't lose anything... They prepare their junior driver and save money compared to expensive veteran drivers.diffuser wrote: ↑19 Jul 2022, 04:02It all depends on weather Alpine considers itself in the Merc category or in the Williams category. If they're shooting to compete with "Mercs", then Pilastri belongs on a William's or SAT like team so his skills can be assessed and honed out of the limelight somewhat. Like Russell, Max, Charles, Saintz, Albon, Vettel, Alonzo, Ocon, Perez and Ricciardo did.
The Norris debut at McLaren (coincidentally also in place of a departing Alonso) went quite well after all, and likely Piastri's debut will also go well for Alpine. It doesn't seem that McLaren would have gained anything by placing Norris at Williams for two or three seasons.
The only way to tell is to put Piastri in the car. It would be untenable for the un-retired Alonso (despite driving well) to block the progression of not just one but two young drivers, Piastri AND Sargeant. It would be best for F1 overall for Sargeant to debut in the Williams and Piastri in the Alpine. [Look how well Alonso making a place for Norris went after all! That has been very good for the sport.]
Except that Piastri is likely to be driving the Alpine (F1 car) next season.
Piastri-Alpine and Sargeant-Williams is really the only logical solution for these two teams and their promising juniors, not a loan that blocks Sargeant's path. Alonso might, however, be driving for Aston Martin if Vettel retires.https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/alons ... /10342110/We talked about the fact that Fernando is a legend of the sport, but also a legend of the Renault Group. For us, he’s the champion. He was always going to have a seat in LMDh the day he switches, he will be welcome, it’s his team. So obviously this is part of the discussion.
Ocon has a contract, he will be driving the car until 2024. It is what it is, that deal is done, it's the other seat which is vacant for 2023.Alonso Fan wrote: ↑20 Jul 2022, 19:28But they do lose out, not much but ultimately they get rid of their best or 2nd best driver and keep the 3rd best because they made him a long term deal.
Source: https://www.motorsportweek.com/2022/07/ ... next-year/“Well Fernando, his contract is over this year, so obviously we’re discussing with him,” Rossi said.
“We’re building scenarios for him and Oscar, as I’m sure you would ask me. The idea is that the two of them are worthy drivers, and we would love them to drive next year.”
When asked if both drivers would be racing on the F1 grid next year, Rossi said: “I think so.”
“We’ve invested heavily in Oscar, we believe in him, that’s why he’s our reserve driver. He’s a very promising talent, we would love to fulfil this talent in the team. So a loan, like many other drivers starting in a team to learn the tricks, and then coming back to us would be a good scenario.”
“I think if that [a loan] is best for us, then we would consider that. If we would have another better solution, then we would go for the better solution.”
you have to be kidding.JordanMugen wrote: ↑24 Jul 2022, 00:17The only way to tell is to put Piastri in the car. It would be untenable for the un-retired Alonso (despite driving well) to block the progression of not just one but two young drivers, Piastri AND Sargeant. It would be best for F1 overall for Sargeant to debut in the Williams and Piastri in the Alpine. [Look how well Alonso making a place for Norris went after all! That has been very good for the sport.]
A placement of Piastri at Williams, especially a two-year placement based on a two-year Alonso-Alpine contract, is merely shifting the problem of no race seat from Piastri to Sargeant, which is not helpful in the slightest really!
Except that Piastri is likely to be driving the Alpine (F1 car) next season.
Edit -- Of course Alpine also has a Le Mans team, so Alonso could drive for Alpine there if he would prefer to stay with the French marque rather than return to Toyota Gazoo Racing. Laurent Rossi has apparently made a comment on that topic:https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/alons ... /10342110/We talked about the fact that Fernando is a legend of the sport, but also a legend of the Renault Group. For us, he’s the champion. He was always going to have a seat in LMDh the day he switches, he will be welcome, it’s his team. So obviously this is part of the discussion.
So Piastri > BWT Alpine F1 Team, Alonso > Alpine Elf Team could be part of the Alpine "El Plan".
Ocon has a contract, he will be driving the car until 2024. It is what it is, that deal is done, it's the other seat which is vacant for 2023.Alonso Fan wrote: ↑20 Jul 2022, 19:28But they do lose out, not much but ultimately they get rid of their best or 2nd best driver and keep the 3rd best because they made him a long term deal.
You just can't get over the GP2 engine comment can you?JordanMugen wrote: ↑24 Jul 2022, 00:17The only way to tell is to put Piastri in the car. It would be untenable for the un-retired Alonso (despite driving well) to block the progression of not just one but two young drivers, Piastri AND Sargeant. It would be best for F1 overall for Sargeant to debut in the Williams and Piastri in the Alpine. [Look how well Alonso making a place for Norris went after all! That has been very good for the sport.]
A placement of Piastri at Williams, especially a two-year placement based on a two-year Alonso-Alpine contract, is merely shifting the problem of no race seat from Piastri to Sargeant, which is not helpful in the slightest really!
Except that Piastri is likely to be driving the Alpine (F1 car) next season.
Edit -- Of course Alpine also has a Le Mans team, so Alonso could drive for Alpine there if he would prefer to stay with the French marque rather than return to Toyota Gazoo Racing. Laurent Rossi has apparently made a comment on that topic:https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/alons ... /10342110/We talked about the fact that Fernando is a legend of the sport, but also a legend of the Renault Group. For us, he’s the champion. He was always going to have a seat in LMDh the day he switches, he will be welcome, it’s his team. So obviously this is part of the discussion.
So Piastri > BWT Alpine F1 Team, Alonso > Alpine Elf Team could be part of the Alpine "El Plan".
Ocon has a contract, he will be driving the car until 2024. It is what it is, that deal is done, it's the other seat which is vacant for 2023.Alonso Fan wrote: ↑20 Jul 2022, 19:28But they do lose out, not much but ultimately they get rid of their best or 2nd best driver and keep the 3rd best because they made him a long term deal.
It seems you are not liking Alonso in Alpine.diffuser wrote: ↑24 Jul 2022, 02:38You just can't get over the GP2 engine comment can you?JordanMugen wrote: ↑24 Jul 2022, 00:17The only way to tell is to put Piastri in the car. It would be untenable for the un-retired Alonso (despite driving well) to block the progression of not just one but two young drivers, Piastri AND Sargeant. It would be best for F1 overall for Sargeant to debut in the Williams and Piastri in the Alpine. [Look how well Alonso making a place for Norris went after all! That has been very good for the sport.]
A placement of Piastri at Williams, especially a two-year placement based on a two-year Alonso-Alpine contract, is merely shifting the problem of no race seat from Piastri to Sargeant, which is not helpful in the slightest really!
Except that Piastri is likely to be driving the Alpine (F1 car) next season.
Edit -- Of course Alpine also has a Le Mans team, so Alonso could drive for Alpine there if he would prefer to stay with the French marque rather than return to Toyota Gazoo Racing. Laurent Rossi has apparently made a comment on that topic:https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/alons ... /10342110/We talked about the fact that Fernando is a legend of the sport, but also a legend of the Renault Group. For us, he’s the champion. He was always going to have a seat in LMDh the day he switches, he will be welcome, it’s his team. So obviously this is part of the discussion.
So Piastri > BWT Alpine F1 Team, Alonso > Alpine Elf Team could be part of the Alpine "El Plan".
Ocon has a contract, he will be driving the car until 2024. It is what it is, that deal is done, it's the other seat which is vacant for 2023.Alonso Fan wrote: ↑20 Jul 2022, 19:28But they do lose out, not much but ultimately they get rid of their best or 2nd best driver and keep the 3rd best because they made him a long term deal.
