Mercedes W13

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Yep, saw that too, extremely low DF wing, so to save tire life (not overheating as quickly) I the race.

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No, less downforce generally means more tyre temperature and less life. You need to run at higher slip angles for similar race pace.

I think they're expecting to be in traffic and need the straightline speed.

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PhillipM wrote:
23 Jul 2022, 14:38
No, less downforce generally means more tyre temperature and less life. You need to run at higher slip angles for similar race pace.

I think they're expecting to be in traffic and need the straightline speed.
Not sure what you’re seeing, but there’s a reasonable possibility they could end up 3 & 4 on the grid once penalties are applied & with PER at sea. I don’t think the choice of wing has to do with running in traffic, rather performance.
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pursue_one's wrote:
23 Jul 2022, 14:10
different rear wings
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FYWZaUBaAAA ... name=large
Is one of them new?

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The other cars are moving ahead so the relative pacr is still almost a second off.
I suspect the car will still have good deg and race pace compared to the othere.
Itd suprising how little the car is changing compared to the other teams. Makes you wonder what the upgrade will be.
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ringo wrote:
23 Jul 2022, 14:59
The other cars are moving ahead so the relative pacr is still almost a second off.
I suspect the car will still have good deg and race pace compared to the othere.
Itd suprising how little the car is changing compared to the other teams. Makes you wonder what the upgrade will be.
Mercedes have brought an upgrade, haven’t they? And beforehand they had said that the major part of it was going to be under the skin.

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Their upgrades seem to be tiny little things.
What did they bring here beside bigger nose cone nostrils? lol
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PhillipM wrote:
23 Jul 2022, 14:38
No, less downforce generally means more tyre temperature and less life. You need to run at higher slip angles for similar race pace.

I think they're expecting to be in traffic and need the straightline speed.
That wasn’t true last race for redbull (they had an enormous rear wing) and this race they went for less DF. I don’t think that “old” adage still is true this season with the ground effect. And Ofcourse wing settings arent the only factor for tire life/heating them up.

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ringo wrote:
23 Jul 2022, 15:07
Their upgrades seem to be tiny little things.
What did they bring here besides bigger nose cone nostrils? lol

On the floor, there is a reduced curvature on the edge ahead of the rear tyre ... unfortunately the drivers didn`t see much improvement on it :


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ringo wrote:
23 Jul 2022, 15:07
Their upgrades seem to be tiny little things.
What did they bring here beside bigger nose cone nostrils? lol
I can recall news of the upgrades not being visible - so being under the car. Yet you mention the nose.
Anyway, I don’t know what they brought. Just pointing out the news.

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Sieper wrote:
23 Jul 2022, 15:13
That wasn’t true last race for redbull (they had an enormous rear wing) and this race they went for less DF. I don’t think that “old” adage still is true this season with the ground effect. And Ofcourse wing settings arent the only factor for tire life/heating them up.
And that was entirely down to wings?
Or do you think simply that they'd put a big wing on to try to help with setup and tyre wear issues? Which is far more likely.

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LM10 wrote:
23 Jul 2022, 16:15
ringo wrote:
23 Jul 2022, 15:07
Their upgrades seem to be tiny little things.
What did they bring here beside bigger nose cone nostrils? lol
I can recall news of the upgrades not being visible - so being under the car. Yet you mention the nose.
Anyway, I don’t know what they brought. Just pointing out the news.
Could be cooling related maybe. But surely it wasn't areo.
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Lewis said in the post-quali interview that the upgrades they brought were actually really small, only worth a tenth or so.

So much for expecting a big upgrade that you can't see!

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RZS10 wrote:
23 Jul 2022, 14:56
pursue_one's wrote:
23 Jul 2022, 14:10
different rear wings
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FYWZaUBaAAA ... name=large
Is one of them new?
Neither wing is new. The one on the right is the Miami wing with the modified endplates (making them sharper) and a gurney flap and the left picture is the one they started the season with

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Then why post a comparison every single time they run different downforce levels? :-k