2022 - McLaren Formula 1 Team

[Mclarensenna]

Until McLaren realizes that they are going down the wrong path with their car design they won't become front of grid challengers.

Lando's great driving is doing McLaren a disservice, his brilliant performances have masked fundamental design errors that are limiting the team's performance ceiling.
Rarely in F1 is it good to have a car that behaves fundamentally differently to all the others.
McLaren aren't seeing Ricciardo's poor performances as the warning sign they are.

He's a 'known quantity', we've seen him against the best of the other drivers and if one of the best of the current drivers can't deliver within half a second of your other driver than either Lando is literally the best driver in F1 by an impossibly wide margin or their car is fundamentally flawed.
Lando is great, don't get me wrong, but as good as he is he's not 4-5 tenths per lap quicker than Max, which is what a 6 tenth lead over Ricciardo would signify.

I don't think I agree with that.

There's nothing to suggest this year's McLaren drives fundamentally different from any other car on the grid. They are all temperamental. We've heard reports of the Ferrari, RB, Mercedes, and Williams all being difficult to drive at times and have seen the results due to offs/crashes.

This angle absolves DR of all responsibility on his side, which I think is unfair. Many drivers have also had to change their driving styles this year. DR should be capable of the same if he is the top driver people say he is.

Check my other posts about this.
The mclaren is findamentally different to every other car on the grid and all of racing.
Here is the proof where the video is from
https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/norri ... 0our%20car.

""I can understand on some points," Norris said when asked if he could relate to Ricciardo's struggles. "Because I do feel like it's a difficult car to drive, our car.

"I think like our characteristics we've also had over the past few years, and even Carlos [Sainz] said it, they're quite specific and unique.

"So some of the driving styles you need are not ones you kind of grow up learning, and therefore you have to adapt quite a bit.

"Last year, I would say that we had more of that, and then it's not an easy thing to adapt to that, like holding the brake in some sorts of corners that you don't feel like you want to hold the brake in, and then doing the opposite in other corners.

"It's not like an obvious thing on how to drive the car in every corner."

<-----read that carefully. Norris admits clear as day he never drove a car like this before. Its got a very unique 1 off style all to its own. Sainz said the same thing.
Mclaren will never ever ever ever win a championship ever in F1 if they keep this strange driving trait.
The car will be inconsistant and gain podiums and a lucky win but never come close to a championship
Whether Ric leaves or not and Norris stays for another decade is not the issue.
As a Mclaren fan you want a car that drives like a regular race car. Only then does Mclaren have a chance to win a championship.

Also to say Ric cannot adapt is quite frankly nonsense.
he adapted to 4 different F1 cars.
Beat Max the 1st 2 years, in the 3rd was ahead of Max at the halfway mark with 2 wins but lost out due to 8 retirements not his fault vs 2 max had not his fault.
Redbull every week almost bring updates, car is constantly changing and drivers need to adapt.
Ric proved he can adapt and race with the best of them which most agree Max is clearly the best in F1
Ric adapted and beat Hulk which Sainz couldnt do. Ric has 10 years proving he can adapt in F1. The proof is there.

[Stig14]

Until McLaren realizes that they are going down the wrong path with their car design they won't become front of grid challengers.

Lando's great driving is doing McLaren a disservice, his brilliant performances have masked fundamental design errors that are limiting the team's performance ceiling.
Rarely in F1 is it good to have a car that behaves fundamentally differently to all the others.
McLaren aren't seeing Ricciardo's poor performances as the warning sign they are.

He's a 'known quantity', we've seen him against the best of the other drivers and if one of the best of the current drivers can't deliver within half a second of your other driver than either Lando is literally the best driver in F1 by an impossibly wide margin or their car is fundamentally flawed.
Lando is great, don't get me wrong, but as good as he is he's not 4-5 tenths per lap quicker than Max, which is what a 6 tenth lead over Ricciardo would signify.

I don't think I agree with that.

There's nothing to suggest this year's McLaren drives fundamentally different from any other car on the grid. They are all temperamental. We've heard reports of the Ferrari, RB, Mercedes, and Williams all being difficult to drive at times and have seen the results due to offs/crashes.

This angle absolves DR of all responsibility on his side, which I think is unfair. Many drivers have also had to change their driving styles this year. DR should be capable of the same if he is the top driver people say he is.

Check my other posts about this.
The mclaren is findamentally different to every other car on the grid and all of racing.
Here is the proof where the video is from
https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/norri ... 0our%20car.

""I can understand on some points," Norris said when asked if he could relate to Ricciardo's struggles. "Because I do feel like it's a difficult car to drive, our car.

"I think like our characteristics we've also had over the past few years, and even Carlos [Sainz] said it, they're quite specific and unique.

"So some of the driving styles you need are not ones you kind of grow up learning, and therefore you have to adapt quite a bit.

"Last year, I would say that we had more of that, and then it's not an easy thing to adapt to that, like holding the brake in some sorts of corners that you don't feel like you want to hold the brake in, and then doing the opposite in other corners.

"It's not like an obvious thing on how to drive the car in every corner."

<-----read that carefully. Norris admits clear as day he never drove a car like this before. Its got a very unique 1 off style all to its own. Sainz said the same thing.
Mclaren will never ever ever ever win a championship ever in F1 if they keep this strange driving trait.
The car will be inconsistant and gain podiums and a lucky win but never come close to a championship
Whether Ric leaves or not and Norris stays for another decade is not the issue.
As a Mclaren fan you want a car that drives like a regular race car. Only then does Mclaren have a chance to win a championship.

Also to say Ric cannot adapt is quite frankly nonsense.
he adapted to 4 different F1 cars.
Beat Max the 1st 2 years, in the 3rd was ahead of Max at the halfway mark with 2 wins but lost out due to 8 retirements not his fault vs 2 max had not his fault.
Redbull every week almost bring updates, car is constantly changing and drivers need to adapt.
Ric proved he can adapt and race with the best of them which most agree Max is clearly the best in F1
Ric adapted and beat Hulk which Sainz couldnt do. Ric has 10 years proving he can adapt in F1. The proof is there.

Past success does not guarantee performance now- this is why it is often said that "you're only as good as your last race". Daniel was indeed a superb driver at Red Bull and put in some tremendous performances at Renault. But he has had over a year and a half at McLaren and is still unable to perform at a similar level to Lando. If he was indeed able to adapt to a car which clearly requires a certain approach, he should have been able to do so by now.

I also don't buy the "if he's doing terribly it's because he's the car isn't capable of winning". That's nonsense. You don't see other decent drivers not performing because the car isn't the best in the grid. Fernando isn't being smashed by Ocon because the Alpine isn't a race winner. If you're a quality driver, you should be putting in quality performances. Lando is doing this but Daniel is not.

I also don't like the flippant "I can't wait for the day he's sacked" comments on here. I want to see McLaren's drivers do well, not struggle until they're dismissed. McLaren certainly have a decision to make regarding whether they feel this performance warrants another year ( or they face a contractual and financial struggle to sort it out). I don't see many viable alternatives though so Daniel might be the best bet until the end of 2023 when perhaps he will head to Indycar (perhaps with McLaren). Everything is too "black and white" on this forum and people need to appreciate there are nuances to most topics.

[Mclarensenna]

I don't think I agree with that.

There's nothing to suggest this year's McLaren drives fundamentally different from any other car on the grid. They are all temperamental. We've heard reports of the Ferrari, RB, Mercedes, and Williams all being difficult to drive at times and have seen the results due to offs/crashes.

This angle absolves DR of all responsibility on his side, which I think is unfair. Many drivers have also had to change their driving styles this year. DR should be capable of the same if he is the top driver people say he is.

Check my other posts about this.
The mclaren is findamentally different to every other car on the grid and all of racing.
Here is the proof where the video is from
https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/norri ... 0our%20car.

""I can understand on some points," Norris said when asked if he could relate to Ricciardo's struggles. "Because I do feel like it's a difficult car to drive, our car.

"I think like our characteristics we've also had over the past few years, and even Carlos [Sainz] said it, they're quite specific and unique.

"So some of the driving styles you need are not ones you kind of grow up learning, and therefore you have to adapt quite a bit.

"Last year, I would say that we had more of that, and then it's not an easy thing to adapt to that, like holding the brake in some sorts of corners that you don't feel like you want to hold the brake in, and then doing the opposite in other corners.

"It's not like an obvious thing on how to drive the car in every corner."

<-----read that carefully. Norris admits clear as day he never drove a car like this before. Its got a very unique 1 off style all to its own. Sainz said the same thing.
Mclaren will never ever ever ever win a championship ever in F1 if they keep this strange driving trait.
The car will be inconsistant and gain podiums and a lucky win but never come close to a championship
Whether Ric leaves or not and Norris stays for another decade is not the issue.
As a Mclaren fan you want a car that drives like a regular race car. Only then does Mclaren have a chance to win a championship.

Also to say Ric cannot adapt is quite frankly nonsense.
he adapted to 4 different F1 cars.
Beat Max the 1st 2 years, in the 3rd was ahead of Max at the halfway mark with 2 wins but lost out due to 8 retirements not his fault vs 2 max had not his fault.
Redbull every week almost bring updates, car is constantly changing and drivers need to adapt.
Ric proved he can adapt and race with the best of them which most agree Max is clearly the best in F1
Ric adapted and beat Hulk which Sainz couldnt do. Ric has 10 years proving he can adapt in F1. The proof is there.

Past success does not guarantee performance now- this is why it is often said that "you're only as good as your last race". Daniel was indeed a superb driver at Red Bull and put in some tremendous performances at Renault. But he has had over a year and a half at McLaren and is still unable to perform at a similar level to Lando. If he was indeed able to adapt to a car which clearly requires a certain approach, he should have been able to do so by now.

I also don't buy the "if he's doing terribly it's because he's the car isn't capable of winning". That's nonsense. You don't see other decent drivers not performing because the car isn't the best in the grid. Fernando isn't being smashed by Ocon because the Alpine isn't a race winner. If you're a quality driver, you should be putting in quality performances. Lando is doing this but Daniel is not.

I also don't like the flippant "I can't wait for the day he's sacked" comments on here. I want to see McLaren's drivers do well, not struggle until they're dismissed. McLaren certainly have a decision to make regarding whether they feel this performance warrants another year ( or they face a contractual and financial struggle to sort it out). I don't see many viable alternatives though so Daniel might be the best bet until the end of 2023 when perhaps he will head to Indycar (perhaps with McLaren). Everything is too "black and white" on this forum and people need to appreciate there are nuances to most topics.

Did you even read anything i wrote?
" Daniel was indeed a superb driver at Red Bull and put in some tremendous performances at Renault." <---- Daniel is still that exact same driver.
https://en.mclarenf-1.com/2020/gp/s8032 ... s/786-823/

Ric in his final race at Renault even with older tyres was nearly a second a lap quicker. Ocon was decent in qualifying same as Vettel was.(slightly behind Ric) But in race pace and racecraft Ric was on another planet when on same strategies. Consistantly half a second plus quicker. Alonso which you mention has been nowhere near as dominant against Ocon. The Renault also has no strange driving traits.
Simple facts that are always ignored
Ric did not lose 1 second a lap and forget how to drive 2 months later its impossible.

The same argument on repeat keeps getting posted here since last year. Ric is not good because he should adapt to this exact car.

Every year the cars change, every month they change with updates are you aware of this?
Ric adapted to 4 different teams and the 2009 , 2010, 2013 redbull in tests and was quicker right out of the box than Vettel in his own car. Then adapted to the 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018 and 2019 redbull which constantly has updates.
Ric has proven himself 1000 times over he can adapt and get the maximum out of the car. He got 3 poles to Max 0 and we know what a beast Max is.

Sainz and Norris themselves have said the car behaved in a way no other car in any prior racing series be it F1 or prior series behaves this way. Its a fact. Sainz and Norris both said it i pasted links many times.
It drives completely strange
Mclaren needs to completely change it so it behaves like a regular F2, GP2, GP3 Go Kart F1 car or any racing car in the world.
Nobody is going to win a championship driving a Mclaren with this 1 off exlusive trait. No other F1 car has this trait so people that keep saying other F1 drivers adapt makes zero sense.

Not schumacher/Senna/Fangio/Hamilton/Max or anybody is winning a championship in this Mclaren The best they can hope for is a few podiums and consistantly 1 second off the pace most races.

Countless times last year i said the car needs to be designed like a regular race car around Rics input like a redbull or Renault etc and every time somebody here would argue i am wrong Norris is the lead driver they should not change the car to suit Ric or listen to any of his input but keep the exact same philosophy for Norris. Even though Norris has never driven another F1 car to know the difference.
So so many were 100% hell bent on this idea and argued with my in countless posts last year.

Well guess what. They all got their wish. The Mclaren is the same piece of junk with same strange driving traits and Norris is in 7th and Ric in 12th. So where is the benefit?

Mclaren if they design a proper car next year both Ric and Norris will both benefit.
the key being BOTH
Or they can create the same crap strange driving car next year. Norris comes 7th Ric 12th and fire Ric and replace him. Then in 2024 bring in Gasly or whoever and watch Norris come 7th and gasly 12th again.

[MO.]

Ric is certainly a polarised figure in these parts.

My 2 cents - Have never really been a fan of Ric, but thought of him being a good on his day type.
Whatever has happened to him in the past year and half, I cant seem him coming back from this where his stock rises to his pre-Mclaren days, nor does it seem possible that he is able to consistently live with/challenge Norris going forward.
Some of his comments from previous races this year, seem to me to indicate that he has realised this.

From his point of view, difficult to put a positive spin on him wanting to leave end of season out of choice ... What is he going to say - F1 is boring, and I need a new challenge ?

Mclaren from what I can see cannot do worse than where they are, if they replace Ric with one of O'ward, Herta, Palou whoever ... Going the Vettel route would be a no, as I see this as a step backwards even from Ric.

[Stig14]

Yes I did read your post and I'm afraid I disagree.

I never said the car was race winning, it's clearly not. I'm saying the Daniel of today (not of yester-year) is unable to adapt to the car in the same way Lando is capable of. There's simply no denying that Daniel has not been performing as well as Lando, regardless of where your loyalties lie.

I agree and also want McLaren to design a race winning car but that doesn't always mean it is easy to drive. Hamilton has won titles with "divas" of cars but that doesn't mean it's not a good car. The car this year isn't "crap". It's clearly not a race winner but then 80% of the grid aren't. The team don't deliberately design a car to be slow or tricky to drive and it's important to remember that. Infrastructure, staff (including drivers), culture all have an effect on the way the car is designed. Hopefully McLaren are going to see some improvements in these areas which will yield results on track.

[Mclarensenna]

Yes I did read your post and I'm afraid I disagree.

I never said the car was race winning, it's clearly not. I'm saying the Daniel of today (not of yester-year) is unable to adapt to the car in the same way Lando is capable of. There's simply no denying that Daniel has not been performing as well as Lando, regardless of where your loyalties lie.

I agree and also want McLaren to design a race winning car but that doesn't always mean it is easy to drive. Hamilton has won titles with "divas" of cars but that doesn't mean it's not a good car. The car this year isn't "crap". It's clearly not a race winner but then 80% of the grid aren't. The team don't deliberately design a car to be slow or tricky to drive and it's important to remember that. Infrastructure, staff (including drivers), culture all have an effect on the way the car is designed. Hopefully McLaren are going to see some improvements in these areas which will yield results on track.

https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/norri ... 0our%20car


You are now conflating 2 completely different things. Every F1 car is different and every week when they bring updates it becomes different again and you need to adapt. Ric has adapted to 4 different teams 10 differeent cars and maybe 200 updates every week for 10 years and always at the top of his game.
Its a fact. he did it 100s of times. So did Ham and Alonso and every other as every car is tricky, has its strengths and weaknesses. Ric has never driven the fastest car but won 8 races with tricky, inferior machinary with many weaknesses. Its a fact!

But Norris and Sainz clearly said something completely completely different.
The current Mclaren drives like no other F1 car or even regular racing car be it go Kart, F2, Gp3 etc etc
Thats the major issue. A racing car should not behave like the current Mclaren does.

Norris even said this check the link. Sorry, no offence but i think i will take the word of Norris over some guy on the internet who's never driven that Mclaren

and the proof is in the pudding. Norris 7th this year and last 4 years its been up and down like a yoyo. Some races decent then some 1 second off the pace.

Mclaren will never ever win a championship with a car like this.

[Mclarensenna]

Yes I did read your post and I'm afraid I disagree.

I never said the car was race winning, it's clearly not. I'm saying the Daniel of today (not of yester-year) is unable to adapt to the car in the same way Lando is capable of. There's simply no denying that Daniel has not been performing as well as Lando, regardless of where your loyalties lie.

I agree and also want McLaren to design a race winning car but that doesn't always mean it is easy to drive. Hamilton has won titles with "divas" of cars but that doesn't mean it's not a good car. The car this year isn't "crap". It's clearly not a race winner but then 80% of the grid aren't. The team don't deliberately design a car to be slow or tricky to drive and it's important to remember that. Infrastructure, staff (including drivers), culture all have an effect on the way the car is designed. Hopefully McLaren are going to see some improvements in these areas which will yield results on track.

Also to clarify Ham won titles in a diva car? is this a joke?
Ham has only won titles in the fastest most dominant cars over a season that was quickest at most tracks.

I remember 2017 Wolf would not stop with all the diva talk as i never heard this word in F1 ever before that.

And then almost every race Bottas even would be qualifying 1 second a lap quicker than both Max and Ric.
Bottas finished 3rd in the chmapionship with 305 points that year and we know how slow Bottas is
Russell just jumped in the car in 2020 and had to wear smaller shoes and was about to win very easily before the issue. So Bottas is nowhere near top level.

Ric on 200 and Max 168 that year both demolished by Bottas
yep some Diva that 2017 car was! hahahaha

Hamilton aint winning a championship if he was driving this years Mclaren as that is what you insinuating. Russell has raced Norris and rates him very highly. Ham cannot even beat Russell in his own car and team he knows like the back of his hand for years and is behind Russell in points still. Throw him into this years strange driving Mclaren and he would be doing even worse than Ricciardo against Norris.

[Stig14]

Yes I did read your post and I'm afraid I disagree.

I never said the car was race winning, it's clearly not. I'm saying the Daniel of today (not of yester-year) is unable to adapt to the car in the same way Lando is capable of. There's simply no denying that Daniel has not been performing as well as Lando, regardless of where your loyalties lie.

I agree and also want McLaren to design a race winning car but that doesn't always mean it is easy to drive. Hamilton has won titles with "divas" of cars but that doesn't mean it's not a good car. The car this year isn't "crap". It's clearly not a race winner but then 80% of the grid aren't. The team don't deliberately design a car to be slow or tricky to drive and it's important to remember that. Infrastructure, staff (including drivers), culture all have an effect on the way the car is designed. Hopefully McLaren are going to see some improvements in these areas which will yield results on track.

Hamilton aint winning a championship if he was driving this years Mclaren as that is what you insinuating.

I literally just said the car is clearly not race winning so this is not what I'm insinuating.

[Stig14]

Yes I did read your post and I'm afraid I disagree.

I never said the car was race winning, it's clearly not. I'm saying the Daniel of today (not of yester-year) is unable to adapt to the car in the same way Lando is capable of. There's simply no denying that Daniel has not been performing as well as Lando, regardless of where your loyalties lie.

I agree and also want McLaren to design a race winning car but that doesn't always mean it is easy to drive. Hamilton has won titles with "divas" of cars but that doesn't mean it's not a good car. The car this year isn't "crap". It's clearly not a race winner but then 80% of the grid aren't. The team don't deliberately design a car to be slow or tricky to drive and it's important to remember that. Infrastructure, staff (including drivers), culture all have an effect on the way the car is designed. Hopefully McLaren are going to see some improvements in these areas which will yield results on track.

https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/norri ... 0our%20car


You are now conflating 2 completely different things. Every F1 car is different and every week when they bring updates it becomes different again and you need to adapt. Ric has adapted to 4 different teams 10 differeent cars and maybe 200 updates every week for 10 years and always at the top of his game.
Its a fact. he did it 100s of times. So did Ham and Alonso and every other as every car is tricky, has its strengths and weaknesses. Ric has never driven the fastest car but won 8 races with tricky, inferior machinary with many weaknesses. Its a fact!

But Norris and Sainz clearly said something completely completely different.
The current Mclaren drives like no other F1 car or even regular racing car be it go Kart, F2, Gp3 etc etc
Thats the major issue. A racing car should not behave like the current Mclaren does.

Norris even said this check the link. Sorry, no offence but i think i will take the word of Norris over some guy on the internet who's never driven that Mclaren

and the proof is in the pudding. Norris 7th this year and last 4 years its been up and down like a yoyo. Some races decent then some 1 second off the pace.

Mclaren will never ever win a championship with a car like this.

And I actually agree with some of your points.

Riccardo has indeed effectively adapted to cars in the past but hasn't been able to do this at McLaren in the same way Lando has.

Riccardo has indeed won races with inferior machinery in the past but hasn't been able to attain the high points paying positions or podiums when the car has been capable of them at McLaren.

I too would believe Lando over an interested random but Lando has been able to adapt to the car better than Daniel in his time at McLaren.

Lando has indeed fluctuated in position from track to track but so has 80% of the field. When he's further back though he still outperforms Daniel. Lando is certainly a high class driver but I don't think he's good enough to justify the gap without Daniel underperforming to some extent.

And finally I agree that McLaren will not win a championship with this car. Clearly it needs to be made faster/more drivable but right now and for the last 18 months Daniel has been underperforming.

I suggest we move on as this topic has been covered in great depth on this thread in the past.

What are our expectations for Hungary? I'm optimistic given the track layout and the France upgrades seemingly helping the low speed performance.

[Ben1980]

Daniel Ricciardo is a proven quality driver.

Daniel Ricciardo has a car that was able to qualify 5th in the latest race he qualified 11th.

Daniel ricciardo isn't performing as well as his team mate.

The car isn't great, but it isn't terrible or undriveable.

Daniel Ricciardo has been disappointing over a year and half.

[Mclarensenna]

Yes I did read your post and I'm afraid I disagree.

I never said the car was race winning, it's clearly not. I'm saying the Daniel of today (not of yester-year) is unable to adapt to the car in the same way Lando is capable of. There's simply no denying that Daniel has not been performing as well as Lando, regardless of where your loyalties lie.

I agree and also want McLaren to design a race winning car but that doesn't always mean it is easy to drive. Hamilton has won titles with "divas" of cars but that doesn't mean it's not a good car. The car this year isn't "crap". It's clearly not a race winner but then 80% of the grid aren't. The team don't deliberately design a car to be slow or tricky to drive and it's important to remember that. Infrastructure, staff (including drivers), culture all have an effect on the way the car is designed. Hopefully McLaren are going to see some improvements in these areas which will yield results on track.

https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/norri ... 0our%20car


You are now conflating 2 completely different things. Every F1 car is different and every week when they bring updates it becomes different again and you need to adapt. Ric has adapted to 4 different teams 10 differeent cars and maybe 200 updates every week for 10 years and always at the top of his game.
Its a fact. he did it 100s of times. So did Ham and Alonso and every other as every car is tricky, has its strengths and weaknesses. Ric has never driven the fastest car but won 8 races with tricky, inferior machinary with many weaknesses. Its a fact!

But Norris and Sainz clearly said something completely completely different.
The current Mclaren drives like no other F1 car or even regular racing car be it go Kart, F2, Gp3 etc etc
Thats the major issue. A racing car should not behave like the current Mclaren does.

Norris even said this check the link. Sorry, no offence but i think i will take the word of Norris over some guy on the internet who's never driven that Mclaren

and the proof is in the pudding. Norris 7th this year and last 4 years its been up and down like a yoyo. Some races decent then some 1 second off the pace.

Mclaren will never ever win a championship with a car like this.

And I actually agree with some of your points.

Riccardo has indeed effectively adapted to cars in the past but hasn't been able to do this at McLaren in the same way Lando has.

Riccardo has indeed won races with inferior machinery in the past but hasn't been able to attain the high points paying positions or podiums when the car has been capable of them at McLaren.

I too would believe Lando over an interested random but Lando has been able to adapt to the car better than Daniel in his time at McLaren.

Lando has indeed fluctuated in position from track to track but so has 80% of the field. When he's further back though he still outperforms Daniel. Lando is certainly a high class driver but I don't think he's good enough to justify the gap without Daniel underperforming to some extent.

And finally I agree that McLaren will not win a championship with this car. Clearly it needs to be made faster/more drivable but right now and for the last 18 months Daniel has been underperforming.

I suggest we move on as this topic has been covered in great depth on this thread in the past.

What are our expectations for Hungary? I'm optimistic given the track layout and the France upgrades seemingly helping the low speed performance.

Thanks for agreeing and your input and reply.
I will say this. I do not care Ric is not adapting to this years car and prefer he comes last even. why?
2 main reasons.
1. Mclaren will really wake up and realise some serious changes need to be made in the design philosophy
2.Due to the wind tunnel.CFD rules it means Mclaren will have more CFD and wind tunnel time next year. Even if you are the biggest die hard Norris fan and hate Ric you want to kill him you need to realise Ric coming last benefits Norris greatly as next years Mclaren will be faster with more windtunnel/cfd time.
Its a win win for Norris and Mclaren in 2023. I would personally rather sacrifice 2022 if it means a much better 2023.

To answer your question why has Ric not adapted to this strange Mclaren when Norris has and is coming 7th and Ric coming 12th?
Norris has never driven any other F1 car. He started with this so he has no traits to unlearn in F1 that is.
The longer you cement yourself into a habit the more difficult it is to break it.

Federer the most naturally talented tennis player in history even admitted the single handed backhand is not as good and wil be teaching his kids double handed.
Why cant Federer the guy with timing from the Gods switch to a double handed after 20 years plus of playing tennis ?
I mean i seen 12 year old kids make the switch. That means every kid is more talented than Federer?
No it just means habits are difficult to break

Also Federer switching to double handed would be an improvement. Imagine asking Djokovich to switch to a single handed which is worse than his current double handed. Djokovich would never ever win any title ever again. Not even a basic ATP250.

Is Djokovich now the worst player in tennis history because newbies could switch?
No its because long term habits are difficult to break.

And a single handed backhand is not even that bad. Its just inferior to the double handed in general.

Yet people are asking Ric to adapt to a strange driving trait that no racing car in the world has let alone F1.
It would like asking a tennis player to change to a style no player on Earth uses just for a few tournaments. why?
They would perform 10 times worse in this case then need to unlearn this habit eventually.

Remember no f1 car or racing car has this trait confirmed by Norris and Sainz. The only focus should be to remove it not adapt to it and lose again in 2023 and 2024.

As a Mclaren fan i hope Ric never adapts, comes last every race, and Mclaren fixes this car ASAP and the 2023 Mclaren is a rocket!

[Ben1980]

Maybe I'm getting confused.

If Lando is able to qualify in 5th, and Daniel comes last. That doesn't tell you the car us rubbish. It tells you the car is able to qualify in 5th.

Now if it qualifies 15th and last, you have a car with problems.

[Mclarensenna]

Daniel Ricciardo is a proven quality driver.

Daniel Ricciardo has a car that was able to qualify 5th in the latest race he qualified 11th.

Daniel ricciardo isn't performing as well as his team mate.

The car isn't great, but it isn't terrible or undriveable.

Daniel Ricciardo has been disappointing over a year and half.

Your points are factually correct.
But also look from Rics point of view.
He was promised a fast, decent car he could fight for wins with and eventually championships with the new regs.

Instead he has been given a piece of junk (yes 1 second off the pace in most races is junk in F1 as nobody is winning a championship with that car)

https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/norri ... 0our%20car

On top he has been given a car that has the most unusual strange driving traits even Norris and Sainz confirmed. So strange that not even no other F1 car but no racing car in the world has, be it F2, GP3 go karts etc as none of Norris confirmed.
No way would Ric have joined if he knew Mclaren would design such a 1 off unique difficult to drive car.
Ric would have sure stayed with Renault with Ocon and or possibly got offered the Ferrari seat instead of Sainz.

I would say Mclaren completely screwed Ric overall the past 2 years.
Ric been dissapointing sure but Mclaren even more dissapointing.

Maybe the 2023 Mclaren will turn things around.
Time will tell.

[Mclarensenna]

Maybe I'm getting confused.

If Lando is able to qualify in 5th, and Daniel comes last. That doesn't tell you the car us rubbish. It tells you the car is able to qualify in 5th.

Now if it qualifies 15th and last, you have a car with problems.

In Q2 as track improved later
Norris was 1.5 seconds off the leader and Ric 1.7 seconds off leader. That is extremely extremely poor no matter which way you look at it.

Norris in Q3 qualified 1.2 seconds off pole.
yet you are confused? seriously?
Any car that far off pole is rubbish.
You aint winning any championship

https://en.mclarenf-1.com/2022/gp/s9028 ... s/821-842/
Then look at the lap times. Max 1.5 to even 2 seconds quicker most laps over Norris
Absolute garbage to be honest.

A decent car is maybe a few tenths away. half a second is nowhere. But 1.5 seconds in race pace is seriously a complete joke. You are a backmarker making up the numbers nothing more unfortunately.
Norris and Ric want to win championships not be in cars 1.5 seconds plus off the leaders.

Still confused?

[Seerix]

So your excuse for Ric being slow is that he did not get fast car?
He is slower than his teammate in same car. It does not matter where they start/finish. He has objective and comparable metric - Norris's times. If the car does not suit him, he is free to go, although I imagine his worth dropped rapidly during last 1,5year.
Maybe you are the one who is confused.