2022 Hungarian Grand Prix - Hungaroring, July 29 - 31

[PlatinumZealot]

If all teams choose to go max downforce - Merc will have less than Ferrari and RB. If teams choose to go medium downforce - Merc will suffer on straights. In any case, they can be close only by divine intervention. Which is actually very likely, considering how it worked out for Max this season

I'm thinking downforce setting is one thing but the speed range the wings and floor work in is important too. Mercedes should work better in the medium speed range. When you put that against the fact that Hungary is a smooth, medium speed track now, Merc should have a strong chance at fighting for the win.

We already went through this a few times:
Barcelona,
No it will be Silverstone
Just kidding France it is.
Hungary of course will be a Merc win, for real now.

Even if Merc was fast in race pace, they will underperform in Qualy due to the ability to turn the tires on. We all know how difficult it is to overtake. I wouldnt be surprised to see them behind a Mclaren for a while.

They were strong in Barcelona. Strong in Silverstone. And they should be even better in
Hungary.

The real boffins werent talking about France. Even last year's merc was bested in France.

[deadhead]

They were strong in Barcelona. Strong in Silverstone. And they should be even better in
Hungary.

The real boffins werent talking about France. Even last year's merc was bested in France.

Not even close to challenging for the win at any of those tracks..

[Sidiamal]

There was a large change in between 2021 and 2022 in terms of engines. They moved from E5 to E10 fuel which is doubling the amount of ethanol. The engines had to be changed to be efficient with the new fuel; clearly Honda did a better job at that adaptation than Mercedes

Curious how they managed that, ethanol creates a lot of cylinder wall wash, keeps them cooler, wonder if Honda is running more timing and hotter temps which could be the cause of their reliability issues in order to eek every bit out of it.

I don’t think Vest. should put it in cruise control, after spa, the cars may run different, he needs a big lead in case they lose their .5 sec a lap advantage.

You have a lot of catchup to do on 2022 engine side and you can visit a few other threads to bring yourself upto speed.

Where are you hearing this 0.5 second lap loss? Not a single authentic source has reported this, other than a few overworked fans. AMUs guys feels there would be no effect of of floor related technical directives. I think a few people are going to be disappointed in Spa.

AMuS have been dead wrong about so, so many things this season that I don't really go to them for much these days anymore. They seem to have lost their mojo. If the floor flex TD has an effect we'll notice, if it won't we won't. No use predicting.

[holeindalip]

They were strong in Barcelona. Strong in Silverstone. And they should be even better in
Hungary.

The real boffins werent talking about France. Even last year's merc was bested in France.

Not even close to challenging for the win at any of those tracks..

I remember my first F1 race……

[Wouter]

Forecast. It changes every 6 hours.



Saturday they expecting rain and thunderstorms.

https://www.yr.no/en/forecast/hourly-ta ... dapest?i=3

[Mogster]

Forecast. It changes every 6 hours.

https://www.yr.no/en/content/2-8394010/meteogram.svg

Saturday they expecting rain and thunderstorms.

https://www.yr.no/en/forecast/hourly-ta ... dapest?i=3

Thunderstorms can be very localized and sporadic. Could be a heavy downpour could be nothing.

[napoleon1981]

I'm thinking downforce setting is one thing but the speed range the wings and floor work in is important too. Mercedes should work better in the medium speed range. When you put that against the fact that Hungary is a smooth, medium speed track now, Merc should have a strong chance at fighting for the win.

We already went through this a few times:
Barcelona,
No it will be Silverstone
Just kidding France it is.
Hungary of course will be a Merc win, for real now.

Even if Merc was fast in race pace, they will underperform in Qualy due to the ability to turn the tires on. We all know how difficult it is to overtake. I wouldnt be surprised to see them behind a Mclaren for a while.

They were strong in Barcelona. Strong in Silverstone. And they should be even better in
Hungary.

The real boffins werent talking about France. Even last year's merc was bested in France.

Last years Merc is correlating so well with this years merc. It is not that we had major regulation changes or anything.

[zibby43]

We already went through this a few times:
Barcelona,
No it will be Silverstone
Just kidding France it is.
Hungary of course will be a Merc win, for real now.

Even if Merc was fast in race pace, they will underperform in Qualy due to the ability to turn the tires on. We all know how difficult it is to overtake. I wouldnt be surprised to see them behind a Mclaren for a while.

They were strong in Barcelona. Strong in Silverstone. And they should be even better in
Hungary.

The real boffins werent talking about France. Even last year's merc was bested in France.

Last years Merc is correlating so well with this years merc. It is not that we had major regulation changes or anything.

It actually kind of is, despite the change.

Strongest showings in Barcelona, Silverstone - the two tracks their cars have always been strong at.

[morefirejules08]

They were strong in Barcelona. Strong in Silverstone. And they should be even better in
Hungary.

The real boffins werent talking about France. Even last year's merc was bested in France.

Not even close to challenging for the win at any of those tracks..

You didn’t watch silverstone then.

[dxpetrov]

They were strong in Barcelona. Strong in Silverstone. And they should be even better in
Hungary.

The real boffins werent talking about France. Even last year's merc was bested in France.

Not even close to challenging for the win at any of those tracks..

You didn’t watch silverstone then.

Only compared to Ferrari they were close in that race. Max would have sailed off in distance if remained in the race without the broken car. Therefore the relative pace to the front runner would have been the same.

[basti313]

Not even close to challenging for the win at any of those tracks..

You didn’t watch silverstone then.

Only compared to Ferrari they were close in that race. Max would have sailed off in distance if remained in the race without the broken car. Therefore the relative pace to the front runner would have been the same.

Interesting view....the issue is, that the Merc was always caught behind a slower car and with the nopod design they are even more sensitive to overheating than before...and too slow on the straight. Still the car had, once out of dirty air, the pace of Perez and Sainz, or even better than Sainz.
I think Merc is comfy with the current situation. That the Q is not working is normal if you do not get the tires working. In the race they turn the car heavily down once there is nothing more to win.
We will see the same this weekend. I do not see how they will play a big role in Q with the tire warming issues and then they will just sit, look for their place behind the Ferrari and RedBull and go on lobbying for rule changes.

[organic]

As expected, Barcelona/Monaco wings are back out

[morefirejules08]

Not even close to challenging for the win at any of those tracks..

You didn’t watch silverstone then.

Only compared to Ferrari they were close in that race. Max would have sailed off in distance if remained in the race without the broken car. Therefore the relative pace to the front runner would have been the same.

You have no idea what would have happened to max in the race unless of course you have a crystal ball. Anyway you specifically said “Not even close to challenging for the win at any of those tracks..” which isn’t true of silverstone as Hamilton before the SC was challenging for the win

[sosic2121]

You didn’t watch silverstone then.

Only compared to Ferrari they were close in that race. Max would have sailed off in distance if remained in the race without the broken car. Therefore the relative pace to the front runner would have been the same.

You have no idea what would have happened to max in the race unless of course you have a crystal ball. Anyway you specifically said “Not even close to challenging for the win at any of those tracks..” which isn’t true of silverstone as Hamilton before the SC was challenging for the win

Just the same as he was challenging after the SC.
Without sc he could have been 2nd.

[napoleon1981]

They were strong in Barcelona. Strong in Silverstone. And they should be even better in
Hungary.

The real boffins werent talking about France. Even last year's merc was bested in France.

Last years Merc is correlating so well with this years merc. It is not that we had major regulation changes or anything.

It actually kind of is, despite the change.

Strongest showings in Barcelona, Silverstone - the two tracks their cars have always been strong at.

Yeah you can cherry pick. What about Jeddah, just a few races apart with the different regulations?